UK election open thread

Nether Portal, that theoretical “most left wing” voter is doing very well if she’s already got a post-grad degree by the age of 24!

@Myles exactly which shows that in America the elite (especially the young elite) are very progressive.

Why is someone with a postgraduate degree “elite” in political terms? What is the criteria for being “elite”?

Agree Nether Portal
Someone who is from Spain is Hispanic as is someone who is a Native Bolivian who is fully indigenous like you said it is just a linguistic category and not Racial. Some people including in the US lump all Hispanic people together in one group many Hispanics identify as white not people of colour. If you have a third generation Cuban American who is White and no longer speaks Spanish should they still be considered Hispanic especially after the 2nd Generation intermarriage is much more common.

@Wilson,

Not sure why you think post graduate degree holders aren’t elites? Now, you could argue that in the past (and even today) most post graduate degree holders were already part of the elite before they got those degrees, but elites they certainly were.
I think what you are seeing now is different as there is a more definite hierarchy based on cognitive ability, and those with post graduate degrees, particularly in the arts and humanities, see themselves at the top of this pyramid, hence why they are seen as elites. This isn’t even including the way the cultural and bureaucracy are know in thrall to this class.

In the US, people from Spain are not considered Hispanic – to be Hispanic you need to come from the Americas. I know this from corporate experience with a US company.

@Redistributed yes but technically the word Hispanic just means someone who speaks Spanish.

@Wilson if someone has a post-grad degree at 24 they are very well-off. I’m 29 this year and the best I’ve done is finished uni.

Hispanic
/hɪˈspanɪk/
adjective
relating to Spain or to Spanish-speaking countries, especially those of Central and South America.
noun
a Spanish-speaking person, especially one of Latin American descent, living in the US.

@NP im 33 all ive got is a 8 hour a week job and a DSP

@ Redistributed /Nether Portal
According to US Census question, if you nominate your ancestry as Spaniard on Question 6 of US census you will be counted as Hispanic. Even if you say your not Hispanic on Question 6 but on the Race Question in Question 7 you tick your Race as White and write out your origin as Spanish you will be deemed Hispanic even if you dont identify with the word Hispanic and already rejected that label in Question 6.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/05/who-is-hispanic/
I find it a silly category it would be like if a Greek Australian, a Scottish Highlander, Maori, Jewish American, Native American, Black Jamaican are all labelled as Anglo in Argentina. There are also Asian Hispanics such as Chinese Argentinian or Japanese Peruvians.

Interestingly Brazilian Americans isn’t classified as Hispanic and Latino despite it associations probably because Portuguese Speaking doesn’t qualify as Hispanic

I can’t speak for other fields, but I can say that those with Masters and even PhDs in STEM are certainly not “elite”. I know many such people, and they are upper-middle-class at best and do not have much influence. They pursued their degrees mostly out of passion and because they aspire to work in research or academia.

@ Marh
Brazillian Americans are classified as Latino as they are Latin American while immigrants from Portugal or not. Brazilians are not Hispanic though. So a German Brazilian who immigrants to the US will be considered White Latino while a German American from the Midwest is White non Latino.

* immigrants from Portugal are not Latino
Hispanic and Latino overlap but are not exactly the same

https://www.vox.com/2016/8/28/12658908/latino-hispanic-race-ethnicity-explained

One who speaks Portuguese is called a Lusophone. Portuguese is mutually intelligible with Spanish, especially in their European forms.

For example:

* English: “I’m playing soccer/football.”
* Portuguese: “Estou jogando futebol.”
* Spanish: “Estoy jugando fútbol.”

* English: “Do you live in Sydney?”
* Portuguese: “Você mora em Sydney?”
* Spanish: “¿Vives en Sídney?”

* English: “The dog is eating a sausage.”
* Portuguese: “O cachorro está comendo uma salsicha.”
* Spanish: “El perro está comiendo una salchicha.”

So a Portuguese person and a Spanish person could understand each other speaking in their own languages, though there are differences in some terminology (looking at the examples above, the Portuguese word for dog is “cachorro”, feminine “cadela”, while in Spanish it’s “perro”, feminine “perra”, note that both of the feminine equivalents are also swear words that mean “bitch” or “slut”).

My anecdotal perception of people in their 20s with post-grad degrees is very similar to Nicholas’, although I haven’t known that many. The few that I have known were academic high performers and passionate about their field of study. They were from middle class or working class families that were not ‘well-connected’, and most (possibly even all?) went to public schools. Those working in private industry were probably on above-median incomes, but no better off than their coworkers with ‘only’ bachelor’s degrees, while those working in academia or public scientific organisations were economically worse off than many people in the same age cohort I know who didn’t go to uni. I definitely wouldn’t consider them elites.

Professionals who do MBAs or similar mid-way through their careers are probably in a different socio-economic group than young academic achievers.

BREAKING: Biden has now dropped out. He has endorsed Harris to replace him.

@Scart beat me to it!

happened just as i got home from sydney

BREAKING: VP KAMALA HARRIS TO BE DEMOCRAT NOMINEE

Vice President Kamala Harris has the support of enough Democratic delegates to become the party’s presidential nominee for the November presidential election.

She has received endorsements from outgoing President Joe Biden and former House Speaker (and current representative for California’s 11th congressional district) Nancy Pelosi, but not from former President Barack Obama.

If she wins (which is unlikely), she will become the first female President, the second African American President and the first President of South Asian descent.

TLDR; summary:
1. Kamala Harris is set to be the Democrats’ presidential nominee
2. Endorsed by Biden and Nancy Pelosi, but not by Obama
3. Republicans still likely to win; Harris tipped to lose to former President Donald Trump