Victoria 2022 – the state of play in the upper house

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It’s early days in counting for the Legislative Council, but there are already some trends emerging.

The Druery alliance has been broken, with only a handful of aligned parties on track to win. Minor parties of the left are on track to win in almost every region, with the Greens currently tracking to pick up a number of seats.

While group voting tickets will still play a distortionary role, that seems to have declined somewhat due to parties outside of the Druery alliance issuing more ideological tickets. A lot of the trends can be explained by looking at the primary vote figures, both per party and for preference alliance groups.

First off, let’s get the disclaimers out of the way:

  • The count in each region is around 20-30% of enrolment. This leaves a lot left to count. From examining one region’s booth-level results, it looks like most election day votes have been counted along with some postal votes, but the pre-poll vote (the largest share of the total) has not yet been counted. So this may change the relative position of candidates.
  • The ABC results assume that every vote follows the group voting ticket, but so far 10.3% of all votes have been below the line, which won’t follow the ticket. In general these votes will skew the results in favour of parties with a larger primary vote and make it harder for parties with a low primary vote to snowball to an electable position.

Neither the ABC nor the VEC is providing an easily-accessible report of the statewide primary vote figures by party, but here is a summary for each of the main blocs, which were defined here.

Candidate Formal % BTL rate
Labor 32.2% 5.2%
Coalition 28.4% 5.1%
Alliance 12.0% 14.4%
Greens 11.1% 16.7%
Left 9.0% 19.8%
Right 7.2% 24.6%
Others 0.1% 55.5%

That’s a 1% swing against the Coalition and a 7% swing against Labor, which has unsurprisingly flowed through into a loss of Labor seats. The Greens have gained a swing of 1.8%, which has put them in a much stronger position to win in a number of regions.

For the smaller blocs, you can see that the Druery-aligned Alliance has substantially less than the 16.7% quota in each region. The left bloc is on 9%, but does well from Labor and Greens preferences, which is more than can be said for the right-wing parties or the Alliance.

Also note that below-the-line voting isn’t just a Greens phenomena – it affects all minor parties and will have an impact on the effectiveness of tickets.

Looking at individual parties, the highest-polling party outside of Labor, the Greens and the Coalition is Legalise Cannabis, who have polled 4.8% statewide, followed by the DLP on 3.3% and the Liberal Democrats on 2.7%.

A number of the core Druery parties have suffered significant swings against them – Derryn Hinch’s Justice (DHJ) dropped from 3.75% to 1.3%, while the Shooters have dropped from 3% to 2.4%.

So who is winning so far?

Labor is down 3 from 18 to 15, while the Coalition is up 3 from 11 to 14. The Greens are up from 1 to 4, while the remainder of the crossbench is down three from ten to seven.

The composition of that crossbench has also changed dramatically with a replacement of parties aligned with Druery with parties further to the left. Those seven crossbenchers include two from Legalise Cannabis, and one each from Animal Justice, Reason, One Nation, the DLP and the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers.

That’s four members of the left preferencing bloc (along with another 4 Greens), just two aligned with Druery (DLP and Shooters), and only one from the right (One Nation). While some of these results have changed during counting, they haven’t changed much – at one point Rod Barton from Transport Matters was winning, but has now been replaced by the DLP. There was also a point on Saturday night where Legalise Cannabis was winning three seats.

While we don’t know the final seats, this suggests an upper house with a clear progressive majority, but where Labor falls a long way shot. On the current count, Labor would need another six votes to pass legislation, with eight votes available from the parties of the left. It would be theoretically possible for Labor to work around the Greens, but this would require six out of the other seven crossbenchers, which would be tough. In practice the Greens will share the balance of power with the other centre-left parties: Reason, Animal Justice and Legalise Cannabis.

Most of the parties winning seats have a substantial share of the primary vote in their region – say 3% or more. We’re not seeing parties winning on slim votes with a snowballing preference share. The main exception to this is Animal Justice, who are winning in Northern Victoria on a flimsy 1.5%.

I’m going to write another blog post looking at how the incumbent minor party MLCs performed, but in short: they didn’t do well. Reason’s Fiona Patten and SFF MLC Jeff Bourman look likely to win, but every other member of one of the small parties is expected to lose. While the DLP and AJP are on track to win a seat each, they aren’t in the regions where incumbent MLCs were contesting. Even when looking at primary votes, there’s no evidence that these parties have done better where they have had a sitting MP for four years.

These results would look different if more of the minor parties chose to preference each other ahead of the bigger parties (particularly Labor or the Greens). I’ve identified at least 2 Greens seats and 1 Labor seat which would have been lost if the minor left parties chose to preference other small parties over the larger left parties – the Greens win in North East Metro and Western Victoria off the back of preferences from Legalise Cannabis, Reason and Animal Justice, and Labor also relies on these parties to beat Sustainable Australia in South Metro.

I have six potential changes in the results that I wanted to highlight. The first three are quite plausible, the last three are unlikely:

  • Eastern Victoria – if Legalise Cannabis can get ahead of the Greens, Greens preferences elect them instead of Labor, but this would be made more difficult because of below-the-line votes.
  • North Eastern Metropolitan – A slight weakening of preference flows to the DLP would elect the second Liberal instead.
  • Northern Metropolitan – The DLP could overtake Reason for the final seat.
  • South Eastern Metropolitan – Outside chance Legalise Cannabis could drop out and elect the Greens.
  • Western Metropolitan – Victorian Socialists could overtake Legalise Cannabis and win, and outside chance DLP could defeat Liberal
  • Western Victoria – Slim chance of Legalise Cannabis or Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party overtaking the Greens.

For the rest of this post I’m going to analyse each region’s contest.

Eastern Victoria

The calculator is currently projecting no change: 2 Labor, 2 Coalition and 1 Shooters. The Shooters have suffered a 1.8% swing but are still holding on.

The Druery parties had split between Health Australia (HAP) and the Shooters (SFF), while the left bloc parties favoured Labor over the Greens.

On the current results, HAP manage to roll up a primary vote of 0.39% to 1.51%, but are then knocked out. It’s hard to see this path becoming much better. Even if they managed to overtake Derryn Hinch’s Justice, DLP and LDP preferences would keep the Shooters ahead.

At a later point in the count, Legalise Cannabis is knocked out with 8.0%, behind the Greens on 8.8%, and Legalise Cannabis then brings Labor almost to a full quota, which they easily exceed on Greens preferences. If Legalise Cannabis were to overtake the Greens, they would likely win instead of the second Labor MLC.

North Eastern Metropolitan

The current results see the Greens and the DLP pick up seats at the expense of Labor and Transport Matters.

TMP’s Rod Barton has seen his vote halve since 2018, leaving him in literal last place. If he picked up slightly more of the vote, the group voting ticket calculator may give him the seat, but it’s extremely hard to see how below the line votes wouldn’t deprive him of the necessary preference flows.

This region was relatively weak for Legalise Cannabis while the Greens did quite well – it’s worth noting this region has shifted significantly to the north, taking in areas previously part of the Greens heartland of North Metro.

Reason gained relatively strong preference flows, which allowed them to turn a primary vote of 1.1% into 3.56%, but it’s not enough. Reason is then knocked out, with their preferences mostly flowing to Legalise Cannabis, but they remain a long way behind the Greens, with most of the remaining votes being on the right. I think the same would happen to Reason if they managed to get ahead of Legalise Cannabis.

On the right, the DLP end up beating Family First by 6.5% to 5.6%. If this gap closes, most DLP preferences would have flowed to Family First. The DLP is currently beating the Liberal candidate on the final count by just 0.7%, so it seems most likely the Liberal will instead win once below-the-line votes affect the preference flows.

Northern Metropolitan

The current results are status quo: two Labor, and one each for the Greens, Liberals and Reason.

The DLP’s Adem Somyurek polled 4.5% of the primary vote, with Fiona Patten’s Reason on 4.2% and the Victorian Socialists on 5.4%.

On the current calculator, the DLP falls just 0.4% short of Labor for the final seat, with basically a three-way tie for the last two seats between Labor, Reason and DLP. So it’s not hard to see the DLP taking one of those two seats on the preference calculator.

Labor started on 1.99 quotas, but don’t receive any preference flows. In practice, some below-the-line votes will leak to Labor and elect them, so the final race is between Reason and DLP. Both parties receive preferences from parties that have high below-the-line rates, so it’s a bit hard to say how below-the-line leakage will hit each party. The Victorian Socialists are the party that pushes Reason over the line but has 30% below-the-line, but Legalise Cannabis (another major source of Reason preferences) has a much lower BTL rate.

Northern Victoria

Northern Victoria’s results are quite different to 2018 – the Coalition has gained a seat off Labor and the two minor party seats currently held by Derryn Hinch’s Justice and the Liberal Democrats are currently going to One Nation and Animal Justice.

On primary votes, Legalise Cannabis has 5.3%, as does the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers. One Nation are on 4%, while Animal Justice trail in tenth place on 1.5%.

At no point does Animal Justice come close to getting knocked out, although you’d have to assume they end up with a much smaller share without below-the-line votes.

Neither AJP or One Nation come close to getting knocked out. AJP is well and truly clear of the Greens and then with Greens preferences beat Labor for the final seat by a huge margin. Things may change as more votes are added, but at the moment this result seems robust despite AJP having a very low primary vote.

Southern Metropolitan

Southern Metropolitan is currently projecting to re-elect two Labor and two Liberal, with the Greens replacing Sustainable Australia.

These three parties come close to full quotas: Liberal is on 2.01 quotas, the Greens are on 0.998 quotas, and Labor on 1.83. Sustainable Australia are ranked ninth on 1.1 quotas.

On the preference projection, Sustainable Australia pick up almost all preferences with Labor picking up very little for the final seat until Labor is on 0.84 quotas and Sustainable Australia on 0.72, but Reason’s 0.44 quotas then elect Labor over Sustainable Australia.

I would expect Labor’s lead over Sustainable Australia to grow significantly with below-the-line leakage, so this result looks robust.

South Eastern Metropolitan

The major parties have each won two seats with the fifth going to Legalise Cannabis. In 2018, Labor won three seats here, along with one Liberal and one Liberal Democrat.

On primary votes, Labor easily wins two while the Liberals are on 1.5 quotas. Legalise Cannabis are by far the strongest minor party apart from the Greens, with just over 6% (the Greens are on 7.5%). The Lib Dems are next on 3.7%.

We eventually reach a stage where Liberal and Lib Dems are both around 0.8 quotas, with Legalise Cannabis on 0.5, Greens on 0.45 and Labor on 0.36. Labor preferences push Legalise Cannabis into the lead, and Greens preferences elect them. The LGC surplus then comfortably elects the Liberal.

It’s hard to see the Lib Dems picking up enough ground on the Liberal to win, particularly with worse BTL leakage.

For Legalise Cannabis to lose, they’d need to fall behind both larger left parties, since both are preferencing LGC over each other. That’s hard to see, although BTL leakage will hurt them. If Legalise Cannabis were to drop out, their preferences (along with those of Animal Justice and Reason) would favour the Greens.

Western Metropolitan

The current result is 2 Labor, 2 Liberal and one Legalise Cannabis. This compares to a result of 3 Labor, 1 Liberal and 1 Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party in 2018, although three of those MLCs have left their parties since that election.

Labor has polled two full quotas while the Liberals are on about 1.43 quotas.

The Greens polled 9.8%, followed by Legalise Cannabis on 4.9%, the DLP on 4.8% and Victorian Socialists on 4.2%. Former Labor MLC Kaushaliya Vaghela’s New Democrats came eighteenth with 0.55%. Ex-DHJ MLC Catherine Cumming polled 0.65% for the Angry Victorians Party.

The New Democrats do well on preferences, snowballing from 0.55% to 3.2% before being knocked out. I can’t see them getting any further. They are 1.6% behind Family First, who aren’t even preferencing them.

The count eventually reaches a stage where the DLP is leading on 0.86 quotas, the Liberal on 0.66, the Greens on 0.59, Legalise Cannabis on 0.48 and Victorian Socialists on 0.41. Unsurprisingly the DLP and LGC have received most preferences at this stage.

Socialist preferences then push LGC into the lead and then Greens preferences elect LGC. LGC has a large surplus which then pushes the Liberal ahead of the DLP by a margin of about 1.7%.

I would expect the DLP and LGC to both suffer from serious leakage. It is also possible that LGC could be overtaken by Victorian Socialists, who would go on to win in the same way.

Voter exhaustion will likely reduce the LGC surplus, which ironically will help the DLP, but they will also suffer their own losses due to below-the-line voting.

Western Victoria

Western Victoria is currently projected to elect two Labor, two Liberal and one Green. This compares to 2 Labor, 1 Liberal, 1 DHJ and 1 Animal Justice in 2018.

The AJP incumbent Andy Meddick polled 1.7%, ranking tenth, while DHJ incumbent Stuart Grimley polled 1.4%, ranking eleventh.

AJP doesn’t do particularly well out of preferences, getting knocked out with eight other candidates still in the race on 2.6%. DHJ does better, making it much further in the count and never getting close to being knocked out.

When the Shooters are knocked out and they elect the second Coalition to the fourth seat with little surplus, this leaves DHJ on 0.87 quotas, the Greens on 0.61 and Legalise Cannabis on 0.52. Every ticket preference from LGC then flows to the Greens and elects them to the final seat.

It is possible to imagine either LGC overtaking the Greens if the Greens primary vote declines, but below-the-line voting would likely counteract that trend. Likewise the prospect of DHJ closing the gap on the Greens at the final round is possible but will be counteracted by below-the-line votes – DHJ is relying very heavily on other parties’ preferences.

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13 COMMENTS

  1. In Western Metropolitan, I’d give an outside outside chance of Victorian Socialists overtaking Cannabis at the exclusion point (and going on to win in the same way).

    Also a typo: “Sustainable Australia are ranked ninth on 1.1 quotas.” — presumably that should read “1.1%”.

  2. Thanks for doing this. I agree the AEC and the ABC don’t help a lot with working out Senate. I emailed the ABC about this at the last federal election as I wanted a list of group voting tickets for each seat. But they said it was in the too hard basket and the AEC didn’t give them either. Of course not everyone follows group tickets and as you say a lot do below the line.

  3. I didn’t say the ABC are not helpful. I think their preference calculators are super helpful, which is why I kept referencing them.

    AEC doesn’t deal with state elections, I think you’re thinking of the VEC. And it’s their job to count the votes, not to project before the job is done.

    I also don’t know what you’re talking about re posting group voting tickets. We haven’t used GVTs for federal elections since 2013.

    At this election, the ABC have done a good job of making the GVTs more readable. I used the PDFs Antony posted on his personal website for my initial analysis then they published HTML versions.

  4. Presumably Cannabis will fall back on Prepolls and especially postals – both of which favour the ALP and Coalition. Didn’t something similar happen with Cannabis in the federal election?

  5. SO, of the minor parties that abandoned the Druery Alliance, like the Animal Justice Party, have they succeeded?

    Is their treachery rewarded?

  6. Will be interesting to see if the in my mind fairly confusing design of the ballot paper itself has a small albeit noticeable impact on BTL preference flows with people getting confused and thinking they are voting for the candidates of the party in the first row rather than the second

  7. REDISTRIBUTED, IT started in Queensland in 2020, our aim is to Legalise Cannabis, until the ALP do something about legalisation, we will fight them at every opportunity.

  8. THE VEC has finally started relating the Below-The-Line Preference data files. qwoth over 80% counted these results are not expected to change Antony Green has finally updated his comments for Northen Metro where he falsely indicated that Fiona Pattern was a possible contender. Sure if you consider below the line votes to be Ticket votes.

    Analysis show DLP will most certainly win the Final 5th seat But will be below quota as the number of below the line votes that do not transfer to the two last candidates exhaust. The sixth place candidate is the Victorian Socialists But they are well behind the DLP that benefits from FF and Liberal Preferences that see him well ahead.

    I have not done any detailed analysis of the other regions but if you have the lastest velow the line data it should be possible to determine the results. The preliminary data entry finishes this weekend and than they move into the second data entry check. Based on what I have observed I will not expect much change

    I am still yet to find my vote in the data stream. I am told that they have not processed early votes from the Melbourne pre-poll (I voted on the first day of voting) I voted in such a way as my vote should show up. (It does exhaust as I did not preference either DLP or Socialists. Fiona Pattern goes out much earlier then Antony Greens calclator indicates.

    If I was asked should we crap above the line or below the line voting I would opt to scrapping below the line and would allow preferential group voting.

    There are issues with the way the VEC count and distribute preferences.

    Votes should be distributed in a single transaction (Non semgemented) They should be redistributed as if the excluded candidates had not stood. This is not the cas. The VEC has built into its count rpoceedures the falws that existed with the system that was designed to facilitate a manual count. We should recondier the count rules with a computerized count.

    IN 2007 we elected the wring Senator in Queensland as a results of the distribution “Hop skip and jump” procedures,. All votes should be redistributed in single transaction, One transaction per candidate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_system

  9. 95% of the time the segmented count produced=s the same overall result.

    If you want to determine if the count results would change if we adopted the principle that votes for excluded candidates should be distributed as if the excluded candidates had not stood. You can do a notional count with only the last standing candidates remaining in the count, IE no hop skip and jump. A reiterative count would also adjust for optional preferential votes exhausting and the the recalculation of the quota in each iteration.

    The VEC should be publishing the below the line preference data in real time on line. Then Antony Green ABC’s calculator would be more accurate as the count progresses.

    What is interesting is that Antony Green’s published statistics are more up to date than the VEC published Data. The AEC web site is much better than the VEC, Ipagine how many Millions of dollars could be saved if we had a single professional National Count body, The VEC could still maintain a secretariat that minitors and reviews the AEC to ensure that it complies with Victorian rules and laws. The State Electoral Authorities sitting in the board of the AEC. 10s of $Millions saved.

  10. The VEC is providing scrutineers with a copy of the below the line preference data files. With over 80% of votes recorded.

    North Metro 5th seat is a clear win for the DLP, Although they fall below quota as the number of BTL votes exhausts

    Fiona Patton does not come close. the only other candidate who remains in the race is the Socialists but they are well behind the DLP

    The DLP picks up preferences from FF UA and the Liberals. Northern Metro is the only province where the Green reach quota but their surplus is worth very little. There is nearly a half a quota of BTL votes that exhaust,

    Antony Green;s ABC calculator is misleading although we note he has withdrawn the false statement that Fiona Pattern was a possible win.

    We need to review the way the vote is counted. The current system is outdated and flawed.

    We need a reiterative counting system where the Count is reset and restarted following every exclusion.

    A vote for an excluded candidate(s) should be redistributed as though the excluded candidates nevr stood). Quota readjusted ion every iteration one single transaction in distributing of preferences. No segmentation, hop skip or jump). You can do a preliminary count by excluding all minor candidates and only retaining the few candidates that remain in the count. Is the results does not change then it is not worth doing the reiterative count.

    The current system is outdated and flawed. Design to facilitate a manual count not reflect the voters intentions.

    If I had to chose between the ATL or BEL voting I would keep ATL and implement group preferential voting ATL and exclude BTL voting altogether. Wast of time and effort.

  11. As the count progresses the quota goes up. Along with the number of exausted votes also goes up

    Nth Metro
    As of 10 Dec 2022 data ; The ALP falls just below 2 quotas and the Greens just below one. This delays their election
    Greens absorb minor party Primary which send them over quota.

    The ALP has more votes which delays the exclusion of their 5th and forth candidates, Many voting in reverse order of the tickets primary column 05,04,03,02,01…. Many of the later counted votes were pre polls.

    I managed to find my vote in the data stream which is good news, The VEC doing a better job than the AEC who lost my vote

    If this pattern holds in other upper-house regions we may find some unexpected surprises. Hard to say as I have not yet processed or analysis the electorates BTL votes. . This data should be progressively published and available on lib=ne

  12. North Metro: There appears to be an issue with the data feeds. We are trying ot work out what the problem is.

    The 11 of December data file is missing many batch numbers when compared with Dec 10 data. With data from Dec 10 data not showing in the Dec 11 file?

    Has anyone else notice this. We checked back with the Original data files supplied by the VEC to make sure it was not a data import issue. It was not.

    This is one reason why we want data daily as a minimum.

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