this will be a target for sure. if they run Jacinta Price again with her increased profile it might get the job done. not sure if they want to take the gamble though
@John yes, as Scomo targeted it in 2022 I’m sure Dutton will in 2025. It will be one of the top targets, especially with a strong campaign already beginning in Alice Springs, which is a CLP-voting area on both the federal and territory level. Marion Scrymgour won 50.95% of the TPP making it an ultra-marginal seat due to it having a margin of under 1%. The CLP ran Price as their candidate in 2019 but in 2022 they decided to run Damien Ryan, who was the CLP’s candidate for Araluen (which is a territory-level seat in Alice Springs, held by CLP-turned-independent-turned Territory Alliance-turned independent MP Robyn Lambley by a margin of just 50.5%) at the 2020 general election. Ryan also served as the Mayor of Alice Springs and if elected federally would sit with with the Nationals like Jacinta Price does (this is just my guess because of this: https://nationals.org.au/damien-ryan/ i.e a page on the Nationals’ official website about him as a candidate), whereas when Natasha Griggs was the CLP member for Solomon (which covers Darwin and most of Palmerston), she sat with the Liberal Party. However, I must stress that in a vast remote seat with a high Indigenous population having a non-controversial Indigenous candidate would be good for the CLP. I still can’t tell how this seat or the entire 2024 NT general election is going to go. Solomon would be another target I’m guessing considering they CLP has won it before despite it now being a fairly safe Labor seat.
Maybe we can get some campaign going in the external territories for once. Norfolk Island 🇳🇫 is in the federal seat of Bean in the ACT (despite being administered by NSW) and the Indian Ocean Territories (Christmas Island 🇨🇽 and the Cocos (Keeling) Islands 🇨🇨) are in the seat of Lingiari (despite being administered by WA). In 2022, Norfolk Island mostly voted for the Liberals while Christmas Island and the Cocos (Keeling) Islands mostly voted for Labor, according to polling place results in Bean and Lingiari (which are both Labor-held seats).
The thing I would caution is that the indigenous voting enrolment numbers have skyrocketed recently due to the Voice Referendum the point the recent NT redistribution had to be abandoned and redone. This would significantly benefit Labor even though I think Alice Springs will swing very strongly to the CLP.
@Dan M Katherine will also swing to the CLP heavily, on both the federal and territory level. Normally Katherine is a very safe CLP seat but it’s only marginal given that the CLP had to recover it back in 2020 with Jo Hersey as candidate after the 2016 landslide loss when Labor shockingly defeated sitting MLA for Katherine and then-Treasurer William Westra von Holthe (who almost became leader and would have saved the CLP at least two extra seats, i.e Braitling (in Alice Springs) and Katherine). Even though Labor was predicted to win a landslide, it was expected that Lia Finocchiaro would win the new seat of Spillett in Palmerston for the CLP (which she did, easily) and that Willem Westra von Holthe would definitely retain Katherine (it was also a shock that Adam Giles lost Braitling), but instead the CLP’s second seat was actually Daly in western Arnhem Land (which Labor won at a by-election after the CLP’s Gary Higgins resigned, though the CLP can still definitely win it back).
Anyway, the times of Indigenous people in remote communities being Labor voters is over now; ever since 2012 (when Terry Mills won power for the CLP), the CLP has actually been better in the remote areas and regional cities whereas Labor has dominated in Darwin (particularly central and northern Darwin as they still are losing ground to the CLP in southern Darwin (normally a CLP stronghold), with seats like Fannie Bay, Fong Lim and of course Port Darwin swinging back to the CLP post-2016). Many of the CLP’s seats on the territory level are in rural and remote areas (Barkly, Namatjira and Nelson) as opposed to cities and large towns (Braitling, Brennan, Katherine and Spillett). On the other hand, the only Labor seat south of Arnhem Land is Gwoja.
Pretty sure that Labor are still much preferred among rural Indigenous voters. You might be able to claim there’s some trending against them but any survey of Indigenous voters, whether they be urban or rural, will show them to still be Labor voters. Rural seats are not exclusively Indigenous.
Also a rather glaring omission to not note that Arafura had a 17% swing to Labor in a recent by-election purely by virtue of it not being “south of Arnhem Land”.
How the 2024 nt election goes will give us a galring picture of what will happen in the federal election
@Adda not if you poll Aboriginal people in Alice Springs or Katherine, where they typically vote CLP. I should also note that the seats of Barkly and Namatjira are held by the CLP and it is mostly made up of Indigenous people; Barkly includes Tennant Creek and the Barkly region while Namatjira (named after Albert Namatjira) includes the outback southeast of the Territory as well as some outer suburbs of Alice Springs.
Anyway, a couple of things I should point out:
1. The Arafura by-election was caused by the death of a sitting Labor MLA, Lawrence Costa, an Indigenous man. Labor’s candidate (and now the MLA for Arafura) Manuel Brown was one of his staffers.
2. In 2012 the CLP won because of gains in remote seats, not in urban areas; note that Arafura and Arnhem were some seats that changed hands from Labor to the CLP at that election.
3. Labor actually only holds four seats outside of Darwin and Palmerston: Arafura, Arnhem, Daly and Gwoja. The CLP on the other hand has five: Barkly, Braitling, Katherine, Namatjira and Nelson; while independents have Araluen, Goyder and Mulka. In contrast, Labor holds every single seat in Darwin and one of the four seats in Palmerston (Drysdale), while the CLP holds two seats in Palmerston (Brennan and Spillett) and an ex-Labor now-independent MLA (Mark Turner) holds the seat of Blain. However this does not mean the CLP will never win any seats in Darwin: I highly expect them to pick up Port Darwin and likely one or two other Darwin seats (namely Fannie Bay and Fong Lim) as well as likely one of the other Palmerston-based seats (Blain and/or Drysdale). Remember though once upon a time Chief Minister Natasha Fyles’ seat of Nightcliff in northern Darwin, although now a very safe Labor seat, was actually held by an independent from 1974-1983 and by the CLP from 1983 right up until 2001, when Labor won it and has held it ever since (Jane Aagard from 2001-2012, Natasha Fyles from 2012-present). Things have changed (though the CLP still remains strong in Alice Springs and Katherine like it has been since the NT was given self government).
To run Jacinta price or to not. Perhaps the best idea would be run someone else and soften up the seat. Then run Jacinta once they have the seat and that person retires as in the senate she’s guaranteed a seat.
I’d have more respect for Price if she ran for a seat that wasn’t safe. But she won’t, because she’s on the same gravy train that she accused Yes advocates of being on.
I don’t think Price can even make significant inroads into the Indigenous population as voters don’t focus on the race of politicians. You can see this in the US South where you can have a Republican candidate being African American and a Democratic Candidate being White yet the vote remains similar with the overwhelming majority of Blacks voting for the White Democrat over Black Republican and Vice Versa which is evident from Tim Scott in South Carolina.
I highly doubt Jacinta Price would give up her safe Senate seat to run in a marginal Labor-held House seat. She’d be risking her political career.
At the 2020 NT general election, the Country Liberals won 53.6% of the TPP vote in regional and remote parts of the Territory (against Labor’s 46.4%, a swing of +7.5 to the CLP), which meant that if the Territory election was the federal election then Lingiari would’ve been gained by the CLP from Labor on a 3.6% margin.
On primaries, the CLP would’ve had 32.7% of the vote while Labor would’ve had 32.1%, if my calculations are correct. The reason the conservative vote is benefitted from preferences here when normally it is a liability, is because of the reason that preferences normally flow to the progressives: the Greens. The Greens have a higher vote than any other minor party in Australia but the NT has the weakest Greens vote in Australia on the state/territory level due to the Greens not running in many seats. The Territory Alliance party received over 12% of votes at the Territory election which mostly flowed to the CLP, allowing them to win Katherine and to come close in many seats, such as Blain. On the federal level, however, the Greens’ weakest jurisdiction is actually New South Wales.
The libs released a list of seats they plan to target at the next election. Noticeably Lingiari was not on there. Very weird due to the low margin, and it being a rural seat. Perhaps the Libs think personal vote is worth a lot here or are worried about increase in enrolment from the voice (turnout was down in the voice election though). I’m going to have to assume it was just forgotten as they listed the seats by states and it was the only Labor seat under 4% not mentioned.
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this will be a target for sure. if they run Jacinta Price again with her increased profile it might get the job done. not sure if they want to take the gamble though
@John yes, as Scomo targeted it in 2022 I’m sure Dutton will in 2025. It will be one of the top targets, especially with a strong campaign already beginning in Alice Springs, which is a CLP-voting area on both the federal and territory level. Marion Scrymgour won 50.95% of the TPP making it an ultra-marginal seat due to it having a margin of under 1%. The CLP ran Price as their candidate in 2019 but in 2022 they decided to run Damien Ryan, who was the CLP’s candidate for Araluen (which is a territory-level seat in Alice Springs, held by CLP-turned-independent-turned Territory Alliance-turned independent MP Robyn Lambley by a margin of just 50.5%) at the 2020 general election. Ryan also served as the Mayor of Alice Springs and if elected federally would sit with with the Nationals like Jacinta Price does (this is just my guess because of this: https://nationals.org.au/damien-ryan/ i.e a page on the Nationals’ official website about him as a candidate), whereas when Natasha Griggs was the CLP member for Solomon (which covers Darwin and most of Palmerston), she sat with the Liberal Party. However, I must stress that in a vast remote seat with a high Indigenous population having a non-controversial Indigenous candidate would be good for the CLP. I still can’t tell how this seat or the entire 2024 NT general election is going to go. Solomon would be another target I’m guessing considering they CLP has won it before despite it now being a fairly safe Labor seat.
Maybe we can get some campaign going in the external territories for once. Norfolk Island 🇳🇫 is in the federal seat of Bean in the ACT (despite being administered by NSW) and the Indian Ocean Territories (Christmas Island 🇨🇽 and the Cocos (Keeling) Islands 🇨🇨) are in the seat of Lingiari (despite being administered by WA). In 2022, Norfolk Island mostly voted for the Liberals while Christmas Island and the Cocos (Keeling) Islands mostly voted for Labor, according to polling place results in Bean and Lingiari (which are both Labor-held seats).
The thing I would caution is that the indigenous voting enrolment numbers have skyrocketed recently due to the Voice Referendum the point the recent NT redistribution had to be abandoned and redone. This would significantly benefit Labor even though I think Alice Springs will swing very strongly to the CLP.
@Dan M Katherine will also swing to the CLP heavily, on both the federal and territory level. Normally Katherine is a very safe CLP seat but it’s only marginal given that the CLP had to recover it back in 2020 with Jo Hersey as candidate after the 2016 landslide loss when Labor shockingly defeated sitting MLA for Katherine and then-Treasurer William Westra von Holthe (who almost became leader and would have saved the CLP at least two extra seats, i.e Braitling (in Alice Springs) and Katherine). Even though Labor was predicted to win a landslide, it was expected that Lia Finocchiaro would win the new seat of Spillett in Palmerston for the CLP (which she did, easily) and that Willem Westra von Holthe would definitely retain Katherine (it was also a shock that Adam Giles lost Braitling), but instead the CLP’s second seat was actually Daly in western Arnhem Land (which Labor won at a by-election after the CLP’s Gary Higgins resigned, though the CLP can still definitely win it back).
Anyway, the times of Indigenous people in remote communities being Labor voters is over now; ever since 2012 (when Terry Mills won power for the CLP), the CLP has actually been better in the remote areas and regional cities whereas Labor has dominated in Darwin (particularly central and northern Darwin as they still are losing ground to the CLP in southern Darwin (normally a CLP stronghold), with seats like Fannie Bay, Fong Lim and of course Port Darwin swinging back to the CLP post-2016). Many of the CLP’s seats on the territory level are in rural and remote areas (Barkly, Namatjira and Nelson) as opposed to cities and large towns (Braitling, Brennan, Katherine and Spillett). On the other hand, the only Labor seat south of Arnhem Land is Gwoja.
Pretty sure that Labor are still much preferred among rural Indigenous voters. You might be able to claim there’s some trending against them but any survey of Indigenous voters, whether they be urban or rural, will show them to still be Labor voters. Rural seats are not exclusively Indigenous.
Also a rather glaring omission to not note that Arafura had a 17% swing to Labor in a recent by-election purely by virtue of it not being “south of Arnhem Land”.
How the 2024 nt election goes will give us a galring picture of what will happen in the federal election
@Adda not if you poll Aboriginal people in Alice Springs or Katherine, where they typically vote CLP. I should also note that the seats of Barkly and Namatjira are held by the CLP and it is mostly made up of Indigenous people; Barkly includes Tennant Creek and the Barkly region while Namatjira (named after Albert Namatjira) includes the outback southeast of the Territory as well as some outer suburbs of Alice Springs.
Anyway, a couple of things I should point out:
1. The Arafura by-election was caused by the death of a sitting Labor MLA, Lawrence Costa, an Indigenous man. Labor’s candidate (and now the MLA for Arafura) Manuel Brown was one of his staffers.
2. In 2012 the CLP won because of gains in remote seats, not in urban areas; note that Arafura and Arnhem were some seats that changed hands from Labor to the CLP at that election.
3. Labor actually only holds four seats outside of Darwin and Palmerston: Arafura, Arnhem, Daly and Gwoja. The CLP on the other hand has five: Barkly, Braitling, Katherine, Namatjira and Nelson; while independents have Araluen, Goyder and Mulka. In contrast, Labor holds every single seat in Darwin and one of the four seats in Palmerston (Drysdale), while the CLP holds two seats in Palmerston (Brennan and Spillett) and an ex-Labor now-independent MLA (Mark Turner) holds the seat of Blain. However this does not mean the CLP will never win any seats in Darwin: I highly expect them to pick up Port Darwin and likely one or two other Darwin seats (namely Fannie Bay and Fong Lim) as well as likely one of the other Palmerston-based seats (Blain and/or Drysdale). Remember though once upon a time Chief Minister Natasha Fyles’ seat of Nightcliff in northern Darwin, although now a very safe Labor seat, was actually held by an independent from 1974-1983 and by the CLP from 1983 right up until 2001, when Labor won it and has held it ever since (Jane Aagard from 2001-2012, Natasha Fyles from 2012-present). Things have changed (though the CLP still remains strong in Alice Springs and Katherine like it has been since the NT was given self government).
To run Jacinta price or to not. Perhaps the best idea would be run someone else and soften up the seat. Then run Jacinta once they have the seat and that person retires as in the senate she’s guaranteed a seat.
I’d have more respect for Price if she ran for a seat that wasn’t safe. But she won’t, because she’s on the same gravy train that she accused Yes advocates of being on.
I don’t think Price can even make significant inroads into the Indigenous population as voters don’t focus on the race of politicians. You can see this in the US South where you can have a Republican candidate being African American and a Democratic Candidate being White yet the vote remains similar with the overwhelming majority of Blacks voting for the White Democrat over Black Republican and Vice Versa which is evident from Tim Scott in South Carolina.
I highly doubt Jacinta Price would give up her safe Senate seat to run in a marginal Labor-held House seat. She’d be risking her political career.
At the 2020 NT general election, the Country Liberals won 53.6% of the TPP vote in regional and remote parts of the Territory (against Labor’s 46.4%, a swing of +7.5 to the CLP), which meant that if the Territory election was the federal election then Lingiari would’ve been gained by the CLP from Labor on a 3.6% margin.
On primaries, the CLP would’ve had 32.7% of the vote while Labor would’ve had 32.1%, if my calculations are correct. The reason the conservative vote is benefitted from preferences here when normally it is a liability, is because of the reason that preferences normally flow to the progressives: the Greens. The Greens have a higher vote than any other minor party in Australia but the NT has the weakest Greens vote in Australia on the state/territory level due to the Greens not running in many seats. The Territory Alliance party received over 12% of votes at the Territory election which mostly flowed to the CLP, allowing them to win Katherine and to come close in many seats, such as Blain. On the federal level, however, the Greens’ weakest jurisdiction is actually New South Wales.
The libs released a list of seats they plan to target at the next election. Noticeably Lingiari was not on there. Very weird due to the low margin, and it being a rural seat. Perhaps the Libs think personal vote is worth a lot here or are worried about increase in enrolment from the voice (turnout was down in the voice election though). I’m going to have to assume it was just forgotten as they listed the seats by states and it was the only Labor seat under 4% not mentioned.