Braddon – Tasmania 2024

@tommo and thats your opinion i say they were there to protest the result they didnt believe was fair.

@yoh an in what way was it an illegal act? they have a right to protest and to stop a result they dont believe was fair.

the reason they backed away from the one against Gillard because the crossbench was reasonable and wasnt determined to oust a premier they disagreed with. and so im clear i never supported abbott trying to oust the govt that way either and dont believe there is any justified reason for labor to do now. the reason why labor couldnt form government was because labor and the greens hated each other so much at the time there was no possibility of forming any sort of governemnt.

John, the ‘illegal’ act part of Jan 6 was when protesters entered the secure areas of the Capitol and caused property damage. The protest component was legal however, and only those who committed illegal acts by willfully damaging property should be charged.

@John Last time I checked trying to breach the Capitol building, bringing in guns and hurting Capitol police constitutes multiple federal offences, and trying to kill congressman/woman and senators definitely constitutes as crimes and thus illegal. It wasn’t a legitimate protest, it was a coup.

Any comparison of that to this is a fallacy.

Also, the way it works is that only the MP’s or members of Congress have the right to challenge a result. Ordinary citizens do not have that power, so anyone who doesn’t agree with the recent results (like Bradfield or Goldstein) will need to pressure their candidate to challenge the result on their behalf.

@yoh yes but that wasnt the aim of the protest it was the actions of a few.
@tommo that was only a few troublemakers not the aim of the protest. it wasnt a coup or even an atempted coup becuse they achieved nothing and they would never have been able to overthrow the government.

they still have the right to protest agisnt the result if they dont agree with it.

I’m not going to waste anytime debating someone who thinks it’s good to justify an attempted coup where there were violence and casualties resulting from that and conflating that with a perfectly legal no confidence motion in our parliament. It’s just absolutely unbelievable that anyone thinks that’s even remotely reasonable.

Turning back to the state of the Tasmanian parliament, the government looks set to return on Tuesday to pass supply bills but then there’ll be an election. Earliest is July 19 according to Kevin Bonham.

@tommo you cant reasonably think they thought they had any chance of overturning that result? i in no way think the violence was justified. just their right to protest a result they did not agree with. and did not compare them as the same. i simply stated that the no confidence motion is firvilous and an abuse. if state debt is a reason to overthrow an elected government using legal means then every state govt in the country bar QLD and WA should be going back to the polls. especially in victoria. they hould be honest and say they believe they can win an election based off the federal results at this point in the electoral cycle. as someone who has been sacked from their job for baseless and false reasons by those in power using the legal system simply because they can i dont agree with this.

Yoh An I’m sure I’ve seen it said somewhere that any resident of Bradfield could challenge the results, is that not true?

John, if your takeaway from being sacked unjustly is that elected governments shouldn’t be held accountable, then you’ve missed the entire point of democracy.

@real talk governments are held accountable theyre called elections. not using the legal system to your advantage just because you think you can abuse the democratic system

Show me where anyone in Tasmania has broken or abused the democratic system in the last week.

@John abusing the democratic system means deliberately overrunning a government by force or completing a coup d’etat illegally. It isn’t abuse to move a no confidence motion given it is perfectly legitimate and was tabled legally. If the Liberals were really good at governing the crossbench would’ve sided with them and voted down the motion. The fact that there were enough crossbenchers who supported it probably explains the result itself.

By the same token the Victorian Liberals shouldn’t have moved no confidence in 2020 during the lockdown knowing full well that they couldn’t get it past Labor’s supermajority, yet they did it anyway. I haven’t seen any criticisms of that. You can’t say that something like that was perfectly fine but Labor moving it two days ago wasn’t.

literally yesterday

well good luck to the independents on getting reelected especially Jenner

John this is idiotic.

It is the ability to remove a government that doesn’t have majority support that makes our system what it is. Presidential systems require a high bar to impeach Parliamentary systems require no bar at all. If you lose majority support you’re toast.

We knew from day one that this government was fragile. Ever since Kristie Johnston said she lacked confidence in the government in March it was basically just a question of when Labor would act to topple the government. If they don’t want to be vulnerable they either need to win a majority or form a more stable partnership. If they can’t, the solution is a fresh election.

I think regardless of the outcome of the election the Liberals will get the most votes and thus the most seats in Braddon.

Interesting if any unsuccessful Federal independent candidates will stand at the Tasmania election. Without JLN running, there’s a fair few votes to pick up. Some possibilities, noting Craig Garland was elected with 5.1%…
– Braddon: Adam Martin (8.3%)
– Bass: George Razay (5.4%)
– Franklin: Peter George (21.7%), Brendan Blomeley (5.0%)
Would also expect some unsuccessful Liberal candidates to drop down if any vacancies open up.
Anticipating a small swing to Labor, my prediction is ALP 12, LIB 12, GRN 6, IND 5 (Garland, Johnson, Razay, George, O’Byrne)

Blast, considering the outcome you indicated then a minority Labor government propped up by the Greens is likely to be the result. The Greens are unlikely to work with the Liberals and that would be true for some of the left leaning independents (George and Garland),

I’m pretty Palpatine used a vote of no confidence to overthrow the Chancellor to take control of the Senate and rule through force and basically usurp democracy using a prefectly legal means.

Rockliff is better to just say fuck it let him form a govt on current parliament with the greens and inds I wonder how long that will last

Idk if I’m hallucinating or if I’m seeing someone say that a motion of no confidence is a legalised way to destroy democracy because of Star Wars.

John, your bias towards the coalition is completely clouding your judgement. Even the other coalition supporters here understand that this situation is just a normal function of Australia’s parliamentary democracy. Admit it though, you’d think this situation would be ok if it were the Liberals ousting Labor. We’ve all seen enough of your comments to guess that.