Senate – Queensland – Australia 2019

I’m certain Anning will lose his seat and it will be picked up by the LNP.

One Nation are going to have a hard time winning/retaining any of their seats at the next election, by 2020 Hanson will be all that’s left of them.

I think The Greens will retain their seat.

Definitely 2 LNP and 2 ALP, then likely 1 ONP and 1 GRN.
The One Nation vote will drop but it will still be above 10% likely higher perhaps more towards 15.

Anning will no doubt will be number 1 on KAP ticket.KAP did not finalise Senate candidate until hours before close of nominations in 2016 yet came very close to winning a Senate seat.This failure to endorse a Senate Candidate played a part in my resignation from KAP. KAP campaign hampered by lack of money . This time advantages of incumbancy will enable Anning to campaign state wide.I put Ashby-Hanson, ALA and Greens below majors this time Anning will probably be above ALP and LNP. I would not write him off. Mistake a lot of people make is to think that Queensland is all similar to Zone of Inner City Parastism. Anning is to be congratulated for putting electorate ahead of self interest. Bob Katter, Brian Austin, DonLane and Vince Gair along with a few other QLP MP,s in 1957.all survived for one election after their parties deserted them. Pauline Hanson has deserted her base to court fame and fortune. Her base will eventually see what she is.

2 of each major, 1 Green, and one PHON. Malcolm Roberts won’t be a huge vote winner but the “Pauline Hanson” in the party name should get him enough above the line votes to be the beneficiary of the anti-politics vote unless the Greens somehow manage to appeal to those voters like they did in 2010 (then I’d give the final seat to the ALP).

If I remember correctly there’s a grassroots campaign against reselecting Chris Ketter due to his vote against Marriage Equality. If he doesn’t, Queensland doesn’t have the same below the line culture as Tasmania to enable a Lisa Singh type to leapfrog him

Andrew – good point about Anning’s incumbency advantages. The KAP brand and whatever party organisation they have should certainly stand him in better stead than Glenn Lazarus.

John – regarding Chris Ketter, I think the sort of people who’d vote BTL and the sort of people who’d want to vote for Ketter don’t overlap much. He has very little public profile, anyway.

I wonder if KAP and PHON will swap preferences? Given recent events that seems unlikely, but it probably improves their chances.

“The Greens (running former senator Larissa Waters) will be likely competing with Labor to win the third ‘left’ seat”

Labor would have to primary a gargantuan ~28.6% above the Greens to have a chance at getting a 3rd seat at the Greens’ expense. Extremely unlikely in my opinion.

I think Labor 3rd candidate will exclude before the Greens and the real fight will be a count-off for 6th between Larissa Waters and a 4th potentially elected conservative (One Nation, LNP, KAP, I’m not sure).

Or in other words, Bennee, two half-senate quotas higher.

It’s also instructive in some ways to look at party-preferreds rather than primaries as a guide to “can quota be made?”

With the return to half-Senate-election quotas, these are the starting points:

One Nation start out on about 0.65Q. Their 4PP from 2016 (15.06%) is bit over a quota, so they should get there. As long as the PHON primary is below a quota they’ll only get the one seat, of course. It’s always possible that some other party (e.g. KAP) will beat them out, but KAP would need to do extremely well. When I say “PHON” from here to the end of the post, I mean “PHON, KAP, or someone similar” – whoever comes out on top.

The LNP should easily get two quotas on primary (they managed 2.47Q in 2016). As long as their primary doesn’t drop below about 32%, they should be in a good position to gather preferences for a third quota. Their 4PP from 2016 (39.83%) suggests they can get to 0.79Q in a fairly straightforward fashion, and from there they might well be the last standing with one seat left to fill.

Labor’s 2016 primary had them below two quotas, but their 4PP (30.65%) suggests they’ll get there. If they’re to get a third spot they, like the LNP, will need to clear about 32% *primary* to be sufficiently ahead of the larger micros and avoid exclusion.

The Greens’ 2016 primary has them starting on 0.48 of a quota. Their 4PP (10.66%) should get them to about 0.75Q.

There’s also about 4% of 2016 voters who didn’t indicate a 4PP preference. Picking those up would be very helpful for some.

So my prediction is LNP vs GRN for the final seat, with a pre-swing advantage to the LNP. This matches the s282 recount, where James McGrath beat out Larissa Waters for the last 6-year seat.

Once we think about swings:

Within the Right, if the LNP does just well enough at PHON’s expense, a Ginninderra-ing is possible and the Greens will be frozen out. If the LNP does better than expected still at PHON’s expense, it’ll be PHON vs GRN.

Where things get real murky is in what sort of LNP to Labor (i.e. Right to Left) swing might be available. 2% would be enough to pull the LNP partial down, and then if Labor’s *incoming excess* would-be-4PP breaks hard enough for the Greens over the LNP, that would do it for the Left.

Any overall Left to Right swing pretty much instantly locks in 3 LNP, 2 ALP and 1 PHON. It would take an implausibly large swing Left to Right to get below 2 ALP, as long as the Greens mostly preference ALP>LNP.

So if the Greens poll 7% (as in 2016), Labor would need about 35.6% to be ahead on primary votes. Possible, but I agree it is unlikely.

Based on the results from Longman, a couple of points about this race that now seem clearer:

1) It now appears that, barring some collapse between now and the vote, that One Nation will gain back a Senate seat.

2) However, if the Longman results are representative, it appears that they will cut into the LNP vote enough that them winning a third seat becomes less likely.

3) This makes the sixth seat up in the air, and heavily dependent on how the parties fare in their primary votes- Greens versus the third LNP candidate seems most likely, but KAP could also have a shot, though, barring massive improvement on their 2016 vote, the ALP seems out of the running.

Their vote in Longman was about 10% down on the One Nation vote in the same area at the state election – it’s of One Nation’s stronger areas.

However agree with your prediction – 2 of each major, 1 Green and 1 PHON. Palmer and Katter will take some vote off PHON that might not come back, and I don’t think Roberts will get a quota, but I don’t think he’ll end up below the third LNP candidate.

The recent Katter-Anning fracas could make KAP a real contender for the 6th seat now.

Katter, Lyle Shelton and Palmer are all making a play for parts of Hanson’s vote. Katter is trying to be even further (alt)-right, Lyle Shelton is trying to corner the Christian right and social conservatives, and Palmer is going for the anti-politics joke vote.

In the new senate system it could mean none of them get elected.

Looking at longman, Labor beating Liberals on primaries is a real possibility given how much of their vote leaks to One Nation et al. Labor 3 outlasting all the far right candidates is also a possibility.

Not ruling out 3 Labor, 2 Liberal, 1 Green

What a despicable display from Fraser Anning, and now doubled-down by Bob Katter.

A clear attempt to outflank One Nation from the (far-far-far-far) far-right by KAP. Potentially electorally ingenious in that being the highest primarying far-right party in QLD seems a strong strategy and getting the highest primarying seems to be about getting the most salacious comments broadcast widely, but will racist voters studious preference all 4 parties? (it is 4 right? PHON, KAP, AC, UAP) If not John could be on the money and they could all spoil it for each other.

I’m still tipping Larissa Waters for the Greens to primary under 1 quota, while Labor primaries just over 2 quotas. The most important numbers are Larissa’s first preference vote, Labor’s flow rate to Larissa, and far-right exhaustion rates. LNP will limp to 3 seats with leakage from far-right parties imo.

the fight on the far right…….. one of 4…….. most likely on…….Bob Katter is not racist but he needed in his opinion to pretend to be……the sky news interviews were train wrecks…..Mr Anning was a politician without a party this he joined kap………strange bed fellows

Green announce “Navdeep Singh” as second candidate for senate from Queensland, Larissa waters’s seat is clear, but Navdeep also in wining position due to his social work & communication skills.

A couple of observations…
1) Longman is such an outlier seat that there are very few lessons to be learnt from the vote there;
2) Can we assume that there will be 2 LNP, 2 ALP and 1 Green.
3) The ALP remaindered quota will be less than the Greens, but will just be enough to tip them over into a full quota with not much to spare. There will not be four Senators from the left, let alone two Greens.
3) The seat to go will be the PHON//IND/KAP seat currently held by Fraser Anning. He ended up there dragged through by Pauling Hanson and Malcolm Roberts. His speech was more about positioning and building name recognition then any sense of ideological commitment. Unfortunately for him it’s made it difficult for PHON to preference him.
4) So the likely battle for number 6 will be LNP, PHON, KAP and PUP. Let’s look at the preference flows first. LNP will put PHON ahead of KAP and PUP. PUP voters will probably exhaust. And KAP voters will be all over the place, even if they put LNP behind PHON on the HTV.
5) So assuming PUP goes out first, no net shift. KAP goes out next, with enough votes bleeding to the ALP and LNP to put the LNP ahead of PHON. And then PHON splits 60/40 to LNP, giving them just enough to form a quota. With minor preferences it will be the Sex Party in 2010 all over again.
6) So the final result will likely be LNP, ALP, LNP, ALP, GRN, LNP.

The Greens in QLD would be happy to get their senate primary vote to any 2 digit number.

Navdeep Singh would be in with a strong chance in a double dissolution but the Greens are an extremely slim chance of electing him in a half-senate election.

The 2nd senator from a party is much harder to elect than the first. For example primaries of 20.2% (2010 GRN TAS), 21.5% (2014 ALP WA special election), 24.9% (2013 NXT), and 26.6% (2013 ALP WA) all failed to elect 2 senators.

These are the smallest primaries to elect 2 senators in half-senate elections since 2007: 29.7% (2010 ALP WA), 29.4% (2010 ALP QLD), 28.5% (2013 ALP QLD), 27.5% (2013 LIB SA).

The new preferencing rules likely make it easier on 2nd senate candidates though, perhaps 20% Greens primary (which would be truly remarkable) could elect Navdeep Singh.

Oh, and interestingly enough this time around there will be mostly new faces in the Senate, with many of the current Senators displaced.

Ian Macdonald and Barry O’Sullivan have both been removed from winnable spots on the ticket, Claire Moore is supposedly retiring and Andrew Bartlett stepped down for Larissa Waters.

That leaves Fraser Anning and Chis Ketter in the game, so probably just Ketter from Queensland once the dust settles from the next election.

According to the Bludger Tracker the Greens are up +0.7% in Queensland since 2016 and are now very close to 10% primary. This is Queensland we’re talking about which is often considered to be Australia’s most conservative state. However, the increasing support for the Greens is entirely believable considering they recently won their first seat in the Qld parliament. I think the Adani issue is also helping them a lot with environmentally conscious Queenslanders and those who’s jobs depend on the Great Barrier Reef (which is around 70,000+ people). There was even a recent poll which had the Greens out-polling One Nation in Queensland 10% to 9% (I can’t remember which polling company it was done by but it was in the last couple of weeks). Waters is also a very well known and liked figure now among the left. Based on all this, I think there’s a very good chance the Greens will retain their Qld senate spot. There is also a good chance a of them winning the lower house seat of Brisbane.

I came across LNP Candidate Gerrard
Rennick in Burpengary shopping centre earlier in week. Certainly the most sensible and knowledgeable Liberal candidate I have come acccross in a long time.

It is vital for both major parties that they allow their candidates to get out, meet, and talk to electorate.

Rennick seems to fit into the Menzies – Fraser era policy mould rather than being an auto man innoculated with Friedmanite neo-liberalism.
He will certainly will be at top of Coalition block on my Senate Ballot paper next year.
At this point it is easier to determine who will be bottom ( Greens and Anning) than who will be top.
Looked at last weeks Q&A yesterday and can see why Government was stable and respected years ago. John Andrrson’s Performance outshone two serving politicians by far.
We need to clean Parliament out of at least 30% of deadwood we currently have.
We need to start asking candidates hard questions and determining our vote on basis of their answers. Questions need to be related to how they will fix the mess and it needs to be clear that no vote will be gained by telling me what other major party did wrong.
At this point I want Katter, Country Party or DLP Candidates to have balance of power and I want whoever has control in House to be in a minority in Senate. Rennick will be a good influence in Senate but to get there he will need to beat neo-fascist and neo-communist Candidates as well as libertarians such as Australian Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.
Andrew Jackson
apjackson2@bigpond.com

Yeah i have seen so many ads for him, He seems Reasonable

Malcolm Roberts and Steve Dickson are running for One nation, It would be easy for them to win if it was a DD, But since its a Half senate. It will be difficult to see them both elected if not just 1. I think Roberts is more likely than Dickson, But since Hanson isn’t up til’ 2022 That will make it harder to garner One nation votes, as she is the reason her party was successful last time

The most recent polling I’ve seen for Queensland is the BludgerTrack state breakdown of federal voting intention. Luckily we’re still far enough out from the election where the Reps primary intention voting results should match up pretty closely to the Senate 4PPs (because the pollsters are still working on a four-party basis everywhere).

Based on that:

– Coalition 2.58 Q
– Labor 2.46 Q
– Greens 0.69 Q
– One Nation 0.96 Q

This means Malcolm Roberts is on track for election, but Steve Dickson has no chance. Remember, well over 90% of people vote above the line and those votes go down the ticket.

One Nation’s name on the ballot says “Pauline Hanson’s One Nation” and she will be all over their promo material. They’ll do a worse than if she was running, but not so badly as to lose.

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My prediction at this point is still Greens 1, Labor 2, LNP 2, PHON 1.

The Greens managed 10.7% on 4PP last time, but since their primary was just below a DD quota they were unable to gather those preferences. It was more obvious in the state election last year, where they cracked 10% primary. I think they’ll do similarly this time.

One Nation are more variable but seem on track for somewhere in the low teens on 4PP – a quota or just under.

Therefore, plausible changes to seat allocation mostly hinge on big additional Labor/LNP swing, assuming that the final four candidates in the mix are from the four parties mentioned thus far.

Possibly relevant stat: only about 45% of 4PP-Labor voters 4PP-preferenced the Greens last time. (21% 4PP-exhausted and 17% each went to LNP and PHON.)

On current primaries, this means PHON gets over the line when Labor is eliminated, and the Greens take the final seat on slightly less than a quota.

If the LNP gain 0.24 quotas or more from Labor (without improvement in the Greens’ share of Labor’s outgoing prefs) – this results in a subsequent Greens elimination for 2 Labor, 3 LNP, 1 PHON.

Similarly, if Labor gain 0.25 quotas or more from the LNP (without pref allocation changes) this again results in a subsequent Greens elimination, this time for 3 Labor, 2 LNP, 1 PHON.

Senator Ian MacDonald has indicated he will run a ‘below the line’ campaign in the Couirer Mail because he was put on the unwinnable fourth LNP Senate spot and try galvanize support for his candidacy in North QLD.

LNP are quite rightly worried considering there going into an already difficult election and winning three Senate spots is hard enough as it is. MacDonald doesn’t have a hope in hell because QLD population is too big and it’s a half Senate election which it will make the quota higher and likely out of reach for him.

Shorten is running a campaign that will appeal to Ashby-Hanson voters.Consequently some voters who were repulsed by ALP inner city policies will return to ALP. Some Ashby-Hanson voters who are repulsed by her racist rants will return to ALP. So Shorten will gain from both a positive and negative charge.

None of Senators up for Re-election have a public profile. Possible exception Anning and he has a negative profile. PH will not preference him and I doubt if KAP will. DLP unlikely to pref him so unless he has found money to do deals with unscrupulous he is history from 30 June. He probably will pick up pref from ALA and possibly Australian Conservatives but AC are aiming to win and their deals will be to ensure this happens. Lyle Shelton campaigning under the surface of water building branches. Most of micro and minor parties lack branches and a few are openly hostile to branch formation due to fracturing consequences.
Minor Party need candidates in House of Representatives to manage Senate campaign and only Greens have managed this. I would rank parties as follows on Queensland electorate Branch Formation:( some call electorate branch sub branch or other names)
Old National Party 10/10 where active leaving half state to Libs)
ALP and Old Liberal party9.9/10
Greens 9/10
Current LNP 9.6./10
KAP 5/10
Family First 4/10
Australian Country Party 2/10
Pauline Hanson 4/10
DLP 1/10
Australian Conservatives ?/10 but working on this in multiple areas
ALA 1/10 but highly professional campaign meeting organisation.
Nick Xenophon 0.5/10

I can think of at least two conservative pressure groups with a more active Branch structure than any minor party.

No political party lists branch contacts on website unless they have only one branch.

Thinking back to 1970’s many of DLP candidates and activists were at meetings 2 or 3 times a week. The Coms worked harder and had no say they were directed which meetings to attend.

Unfortunately the belief that elections are won on Facebook is permeating the community.

Bernadi’s Tories will struggle to win a seat in QLD, With the absence of One Nation in future they have a chance, But until then.

Daniel
Bernardi is appealing to right wing conservatives often successful Ashby Hanson appealing to the haters of success ie the failures in our society. I do not think they are the same demographic.
Bernardi’s voters are more likely to come from Liberal Democrats or safe coalition seats. Therefore Bernardi’s vote will return to Liberals. Ashby-Hanson vote comes from totally ignorant losers and may go anywhere however chance of Ashby being able to direct this vote is limited.

It would be cool if BTL voting were to get an extra LNP seat or change who gets election! I thought it was awesome that Lisa Singh got reelected last time, albeit that she is Labor…

I live in hope that my BTL vote will get someone else up into the Senate!

BTL votes are extremely unlikely to overturn a ticket order in Queensland this election.

Quota in Queensland is going to be about 400K votes.

The LNP are looking at about 2.2 quotas on ticket vote primary in my estimate. ATL preferences also count towards ticket order. So Ian MacDonald would have to get about 200,000 primary votes in his own right to have a strong chance of bucking the ticket order. (He got 2,029 votes last time but I imagine he wasn’t campaigning on his own behalf very much.)

I’ll speculate on Lisa Singh over in the Tasmania thread.

I know Alex, I just live in hope to justify my vote – I can spread my vote BTL across only 3 parties instead of 6 ATL! Actually, its not Ian Macdonald I’m intending for anyway haha – someone should vote for No. 6 on the ticket!

@BJA from Ryan

Ian MacDonald strategy doesn’t potentially get an extra senate seat for the LNP. In fact it does the opposite it has the risk of potentially splintering the LNP vote. LNP to maximise their senate vote want their voters to vote above the line to avoid confusion.

The other thing is the LNP are aiming for three senate seats. All MacDonald is doing in the best case scenario is jumping over the third LNP senate candidate on the ballot (Gerard Rennick) to win the senate seat and take the seat that was going to go to Rennick. I’m not convinced the LNP will win three senate seats either.

Even the most one eyed LNP supporter would acknowledge the LNP winning four senate seats in this political climate is impossible. Its the reason Macdonald is running his campaign because he is fourth on the senate ticket which is considered ‘unwinnable’.

Larissa Waters loses because of the ineligibility thing

very hard to win against the ticket……….. when 1/7 of the vote is needed.. some one said 1g 2alp 2lnp and 1onp ……….. probably right……… seems onp picks such assets Pauline and Mr Roberts………. add their political intelligence together and you get less than average add their extremism together and wow off the chart………… they pretend to care about the battlers but are most times a reliable senate vote for the libs

C’mon nobody cares about the eligibility thing.

I suspect those that hold the eligibility thing against Larissa Waters wouldn’t vote for her in the first place. Preferences maybe, but it’d be a tiny thing to deliberately vote BTL for if it’s Waters specifically they’re annoyed at.

If citizenship issues were a big issue, then arguably Larissa Waters may have her immediate resignation work out in her favour as opposed to the kicking and screaming of every other person who got caught up in it bar Scott Ludlum.

See if it affects Malcolm Roberts’ vote.

Mick
When have ON voted differently to Libs. Other than when they framed an extremist motion. PH is effectively an agent of Liberal Party.

@Political Nightwatchman

“Even the most one eyed LNP supporter” …well, that’s me 😉 – yes, I know the fourth seat is “unwinnable”.

I’m just dreaming big for something interesting to happen like senators elected out of ticket order, Libs/Nats gaining seats rather than only counting how many seats swing to Labor… that’s a boring election.

just need to keep faith while facing the so determined inevitability of a Shorten government next May *shudders* – dreaming big just helps my work up until the election to make sure it does not happen.

BJA Yes 4 th seat is in winnable for LNP but with the way polling is going it is not in winnable for ALP. Problem with the 2PPV is that it is House of Reps focussed and many who vote for a major in Reps vote for a minor in Senate. An article in Australian Journal of Poltics and History in 1970’s dealt with a continual problem polling company’s faces of results that under reported DLP vote compared to Ballot Box results. My feeling at moment is 3 ALP, 2LNP, 1 anti Labor minor and 6 th seat in doubt between ALP and Greens. Ian MacDonald’s spot makes likelihood of KAP being the Conservative minor slightly less likely unless MacDonald jumped to KAP which is very unlikely.
MacDonald is approachable responds to e-mails and distributes his newsletter widely in Queensland.
Both MacDonald and Ketter spent a few days on Morayfield pre-poll during Longman By-Election. I found both approachable and at the time had no idea Ketter was to some old friends of mine.
My below the line senate vote will favour Ketter, Rennick and MacDonald but only after KAP, Country Party and DLP Candidates. I
Neo-Liberal O’ Sullivan will be near bottom with Anning , Ashby-Hanson and Greens Candidates.
Andrew Jackson
apjackson2@bigpond.com

I find it funny that LNP senate candidates attack the state Labor goverment, But they were the ones that supported the reckless LNP Newman government, And we all know how that went.

Anyone who thinks the LNP will get 6 seats in a politically toxic environment for their party is on drugs, They will either have 4 or 5 seat’s They will do worse than last time

Daniel
To get 4 seats a party needs 57%
To get 6 seats they need 85.71% . You are right no party will get 4 seats even with preferences.
However LNP will lose about 10 seats in Reps in Queensland in 2019.

Peter Dutton has unleashed a torrent of abuse of Malcolm Turnbull in today’s Brisbane Sunday Times. Fully agree with everything he says but we knew all of this when Turnbull rolled Abbott. At that point Dutton was silent.
I yearn for politicians whose views are determined by ideology not by Newspoll results.

But Abbott would have been smashed too (in 2016 though), So whats his point Andrew?

@ Andrew Jackson

Labor defitnely won’t win four Senate seats in a half Senate election in Queensland. Even winning 3 in half Senate election is a long shot and they have only done it once in Queensland when Mark Furner won a third Senate seat for Labor in the 2007 election. Not surprisingly Furner couldn’t hold on to his seat being placed on the thrid spot in the 2013 election and entered state politics instead.

I’m more inclined to suggest 2 Labor 2 LNP 1 ON and 1 Greens. Greens are vulnerable though considering Queensland is one of their more weaker states.

Research has showed One Nation has scooped up the far right micro parties support after the last federal election so some of those far right micro parties you mentioned will be an afterthought and Australian Conservatives will fail to gain any traction. Along with KAP there are just too many right wing parties that are jostling for support. KAP found this out in 2013 election when Palmer United Party came out of nowhere and snatched the final senate seat off them after they were favored to win a senate seat before the election.

Malcolm Robert’s Is more likely than Steve Dickson to be the One nation senator,

Political Nightwatcman
Apart from classifying KAP as right wing I agree with your assessment of too many third way parties. Third way implies a path somewhere between ALP’s supposed socialism and Liberal’s worship of the market. Palmer, KAP, DLP, and Country Party have indistinguishable economic policies and near indistinguishable social policies on paper than each other.

To describe economic policies of these parties as right wing is false. In today’s world all four of them are way to left of political centre.

No major party advocates ideas like compulsory arbitration, regulation of banks, tariff protection, and government owned enterprises is left wing not right wing.
We certainly are no further to the Right than the middle ground. This differs from groups like
Liberal Democrats who are right wing economically and lacking in any principle socially or
Australian Conservatives right wing both economically and socially.
ALA and Ashby-Hanson are just populist wingless ignoramouses who who just drop to the lowest point on social issues.
Andrew Jackson
apjackson2@bigpond.com

@Andrew Jackson

Yes, people (essentially, the media) like to describe the political spectrum by lumping everything as “right” wing or “left” wing and based solely on social views, disregarding economic views because it is easy to just pigeonhole everything into neat categories.

Basically, journalists have become lazy, just criticising what they don’t like and when something breaks, everyone else just jumps on, sensationalises everything by repeating the same information day after day until a predetermined of the journalist’s preferred outcome. Everyone wants a “conviction politician” but it’s a bit hard to have conviction when the media won’t let you achieve an outcome because they are sensationalising the dissenters!

Back to minor parties, the point of abolishing GTV was 1) give preferences back in the hands of voters BUT ALSO 2) encourage the minor/micro parties that have similar views to merge (or at least run joint tickets like Sex/Hemp did in QLD) – the fragmentation that exists unfortunately only comes down to personalities.

I am an LNP member so I am holding onto faith that we can retain government but if the media did not take Newspolls every fortnight and the other polls in between as gospel, I’m sure an inevitable Shorten government would not be the picture painted. People don’t follow/analyse politics to the nth degree that the media unnecessarily does – because only those involved with parties or interested in commentary care.

BJA from Ryan why are you part of that toxic party? You Know what all they have done, Look what Newman and Abbott Did. It doesn’t matter what Labor did, They are the lesser evil. Are you a Small L moderate liberal? Those are the mature ones, But if your part of the Far Right dutton camp then explain how your policies such as Trickle down economics will benefit australians, We have seen this before in america where wallstreet is taking over the country the top 1% wealthy hold more wealth than the bottom 90%

@Daniel

I believe I don’t need to explain why I choose to be a member, suffice to say I believe in the LNP values and I do not consider myself “far right”, which only describes social views, not economic, as I also don’t consider “trickle down economics” (which I believe is described as neoliberal) to be associated with the “far right”.

Fraser Anning at the St Kilda “nationalist” rally yesterday said he did not care if he did not win at the federal election he is to contest in 2019. Many in Tasmania and Queensland will be really sad to see him go – not.

Adrian
In the case of Fraser Anning a double negative indicates nothing.

In fact I doubt if he comprehends what you are talking about.
Andrew Jackson
apjackson2@bigpond.com