NSW 2023 – Legislative Council count progress

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We are now starting to get a substantial sample of votes for the Legislative Council, and it’s giving us some sense of who is likely to win. But the sample is far from complete, and the incompleteness of the sample could make a real difference to where parties stand.

When all the votes are counted, we will have total primary vote counts. These don’t necessarily dictate who is elected, but they are the ‘starting point’ for preference distributions, which usually only change one seat. So understanding where that starting point might be is useful for understanding how close the race is.

As of writing on Sunday evening, about 2 million Legislative Council votes have been recorded. About 80,000 of these votes were blank. Another 103,000 either have below the line markings or are informal – the NSWEC hasn’t yet examined them properly. That leaves about 1.8 million cast above the line for one of the 15 groups with an above the line box. That compares to about 2.6 million formal votes recorded for the Legislative Assembly. There are about 5.5 million voters enrolled in NSW, and 4.7 million votes were cast in 2019. So there’s a lot to be counted.

Let’s start with the current totals for each group, expressed as the number of quotas.

Group Quotas
Labor (D) 8.15
Liberal/National (I) 6.43
Greens (R) 2.21
One Nation (Q) 1.23
Legalise Cannabis (O) 0.87
Liberal Democrats (J) 0.73
Shooters, Fishers and Farmers (N) 0.67
Animal Justice (C) 0.47
Elizabeth Farrelly (H) 0.27
Lyle Shelton (A) 0.24
Sustainable Australia (S) 0.20
Riccardo Bosi (U) 0.18
Public Education Party (L) 0.17
Informed Medical Options (M) 0.10
Socialist Alliance (F) 0.08

On these numbers, seventeen seats are decided on a full quota. Legalise Cannabis, Liberal Democrats and the Shooters are clearly in front, with Animal Justice in a close contest with the Coalition for the final seat. From now on, I will only focus on those top eight groups.

But we have a bit of data that might help us understand how the current sample may be biased. There are two things to be aware of:

  • Only certain votes have been entered into the system so far. No postal votes have been counted, very few pre-poll votes have been counted, while most ordinary votes have been counted.
  • Below the line votes have not yet been counted. Some parties do better out of below-the-line votes. If there is a big below-the-line vote for Mark Latham, as there was in 2019, that frees up some of the One Nation above-the-line vote to flow to their next candidate.

First up, let’s compare what votes have come in for 2023 compared to 2019.

Type 2019 2023
Ordinary 2,902,781 1,962,664
Pre-poll 1,023,986 52,946
Others, including postal 826,060 0

Now we know that the pre-poll and postal vote has increased this year, so the proportions should not end up the same, but this shows clearly that nearly all votes counted so far are ordinary. About 83% of all ordinary booths have reported, compared to 3.9% of pre-poll booths.

Next, let’s compare the quotas for the top eight groups for the total vote so far, and just for the ordinary votes. That way we can compare that vote to the ordinary vote from 2019.

Group Quotas (ordinary) Quotas
Labor (D) 8.17 8.15
Liberal/National (I) 6.40 6.43
Greens (R) 2.21 2.21
One Nation (Q) 1.23 1.23
Legalise Cannabis (O) 0.88 0.87
Liberal Democrats (J) 0.73 0.73
Shooters, Fishers and Farmers (N) 0.67 0.67
Animal Justice (C) 0.47 0.47

The non-ordinary votes so far are a very small share, so they haven’t shifted the votes too much, but Labor is already doing worse on the pre-poll votes and the Coalition is doing better.

At this point, I want to try and isolate the most equivalent share of the 2019 vote, and compare it to the final total. So what I’ve done is compared the quotas just in the ordinary above-the-line vote, since that is most of what has been counted so far.

Type 2019 2023
Ordinary 2,902,781 1,962,664
Pre-poll 1,023,986 52,946
Others, including postal 826,060 0

Now we know that the pre-poll and postal vote has increased this year, so the proportions should not end up the same, but this shows clearly that nearly all votes counted so far are ordinary. About 83% of all ordinary booths have reported, compared to 3.9% of pre-poll booths.

Next, let’s compare the quotas for the top eight groups for the total vote so far, and just for the ordinary votes. That way we can compare that vote to the ordinary vote from 2019.

Group Quotas (ATL ordinary) Quotas Difference
Liberal/National (K) 7.84 7.66 -0.18
Labor (J) 6.61 6.53 -0.08
Greens (D) 2.18 2.14 -0.04
One Nation (T) 1.42 1.52 +0.10
Shooters, Fishers, Farmers (A) 1.14 1.22 +0.07
Christian Democratic Party (Q) 0.50 0.50 +0.00
Liberal Democrats (O) 0.46 0.48 +0.02
Animal Justice (E) 0.42 0.43 +0.01
Keep Sydney Open (N) 0.38 0.40 +0.02

One Nation and the Shooters both benefit, being boosted by roughly 0.1 of a quota. The three biggest parties all went backwards. I was a bit surprised about the Greens, but I suspect this is about the additional of special above-the-line votes contributing a lot more than below-the-line votes.

If you compare this to the table at the top, it doesn’t look like the Greens or One Nation have any hope of increasing their vote enough to challenge for a third or second seat respectively. But it could make a difference in the gap between the seventh Coalition member (who dropped 0.08 quotas in 2019) and Animal Justice (who lifted 0.01). AJP are currently leading the Coalition by 0.07 quotas on the ordinary vote counted so far. If the same trend took place in 2023, you’d expect that gap to widen to 0.16 quotas, which is quite substantial.

I also want to note that there may be other biases we haven’t detected in terms of which ordinary votes are yet to be counted. I had originally planned to also download Legislative Assembly data to get a sense of what booths are outstanding and how they lean (to the left or right etc) but it was too much of a task to get this done on a reasonable schedule. So I’m going to try something a bit simpler. I have simply calculated a correlation between each party’s vote by seat in the Legislative Council and the turnout so far in each seat, to see whether there might be any major geographic biases in which votes have reported. It’s a bit of a clumsy measure but I’m curious. Of course it may be imperfect if some seats have higher turnout than others (which definitely happens).

Correlations range from -1 (as turnout drops, the party’s vote goes up) to 1 (as turnout increases, the party’s vote goes up) with 0 representing no correlation.

Group Quotas
Labor (D) -0.10
Liberal/National (I) 0.18
Greens (R) 0.14
One Nation (Q) -0.17
Legalise Cannabis (O) -0.21
Liberal Democrats (J) 0.04
Shooters, Fishers and Farmers (N) -0.18
Animal Justice (C) -0.12

It looks like seats with a higher Coalition vote have had more votes counted so far, with a higher Labor vote being associated with a lower count. This is also true for One Nation, Legalise Cannabis and the Shooters. It is consistent with the AJP’s vote going up and the Coalition vote going down, but it’s a very weak correlation.

So what does this mean? It suggests that the current figures are reasonably accurate. I don’t think we’ll see parties with 0.2 quotas of surplus catching up and winning another seat. It also suggests that the AJP may have an advantage over the Coalition in the remaining counting.

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11 COMMENTS

  1. Tijana –
    Take the total number of formal votes, divide by 22, round down if necessary, then add one.

    So… we’ll know the actual number when they’re done counting, but we can also talk about the “provisional quota” based on the number of known votes so far.

    ——

    The prospective party quotas have been *reasonably* stable to my eyes in at least the last doubling of votes counted so far. So if there’s anything hiding in results of the remaining ordinary votes counted it’s looking pretty gradual.

    Ben’s comparison of ATL ordinaries to overall is probably the most useful, but here’s some things I think I’ve noticed about BTLs specifically.

    The other annoyance is that the NSWEC is breaking out blank papers but not other informal ballots from non-formal-ATLs at this stage, but bundles blanks and other informals together for historical reporting.

    Eyeballing it, we have almost 4% of examined papers as blank right now, and in 2019 almost 7% for total informal. If that near-4%-blanks rate is similar to 2019, it means about half of the ballots currently listed as “*Other Votes / Ballot Papers (including informal)” are non-blank informals.

    Last time, very roughly, we had half a percent BTL for Labor, LNP, Greens, One Nation, and everyone else combined. Since we have about 5.3% in the “others” box right now that’s pretty congruent with our non-blank-informal estimates too.

  2. At current counting there is approx 0.9 quota for both the left (ALP, Green excess plus smaller parties) and right (ONP excess plus smaller parties) to split for the parties below quota

    On the left Legalise Cannabis only needs about 0.15 quota while on the right there is LDP, Shooters and LNP needs some quota

    Any chance the last spot could end up between the LNP and Shooters who seem to have dropped their primary. The scenario would assume that AJP is picking up preferences from the left faster than they are distributed to the 3 parties on the right that are under quota

  3. Although ATL preference flows are weak, the fact that the Greens put AJP at #2 and had reasonable booth coverage will be worth a bit in an exclusion race against the LNP. Any LNP surplus will ensure the election of the LDP, which doesn’t seem to be in doubt at this stage.

  4. On ATLs (not just ordinaries) right now, the Coalition have pulled ahead of Animal Justice a little. I’d say at this stage there’s about 2.3 partial quotas for the more left-wing groups and about 2.7 for the more right-wing ones. BTLs probably won’t be too helpful for the left either, I suspect there’s more right-wing BTL groups this year.

  5. The LNP vote seems to be picking up with 6.7 quotas putting them ahead of SFF for last spot on 0.68 quotas and not far off LDP with 0.72 quotas. I assume postal votes will keep pushing the LNP higher

    AJP on 0.46 quotas. Don’t know if they can pick up preferences faster than the right-wing challengers to jump ahead

  6. 8 ALP
    7 LNP
    2 GRN
    1 PHON
    1 LC
    1 LDP
    1 SFF

    Can anyone make a convincing case against this on current count?

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