Comments for The Tally Room http://www.tallyroom.com.au Sat, 08 Aug 2020 04:07:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.15 Comment on NT 2020 – nominations close by Andrew Bartlett http://www.tallyroom.com.au/39788/comment-page-1#comment-745454 Sat, 08 Aug 2020 04:07:22 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?p=39788#comment-745454 Who ends up holding government will make the most difference of course, but the individual contest I find most interesting is that of Mulka – the name for Nhulunbuy.

The Independent MP there got elected on a very strong self-determination/Treaty (at least as best as I could tell, living somewhere so very different) & best Labor’s Deputy Leader in doing so in what had been seen as a very safe seat.

Given it is only Labor versus the incumbent this time, personally I’d be a bit surprised if Labor won it back.

And if Labor does lose a few seats, as seems likely, it’s not that unlikely that should retain the seat the incumbent Independent – Yingiya Mark Guyula ends up with a balance of power role.

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Comment on NT 2020 – nominations close by Ben Raue http://www.tallyroom.com.au/39788/comment-page-1#comment-745419 Fri, 07 Aug 2020 11:34:42 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?p=39788#comment-745419 Yep you’re right. I meant 111.

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Comment on NT 2020 – nominations close by Andrew Bartlett http://www.tallyroom.com.au/39788/comment-page-1#comment-745395 Fri, 07 Aug 2020 01:52:22 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?p=39788#comment-745395 I think the number Of candidates in your first sentence might be wrong? You’ve got 115, which is also the number you use a few paras later for the number who ran in 2016. Antony’s post says it is 111?

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Comment on Brennan – NT 2020 by ace http://www.tallyroom.com.au/nt2020/brennan2020/comment-page-1#comment-745272 Wed, 05 Aug 2020 05:07:16 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=39483#comment-745272 It will be dogs breakfast this election.
Peter Chandler lost it because of the hatred of Adam Giles
He is running as a Independent
Add to the mix Territory Alliance
Anyone can win other than the present member

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Comment on SA government proposes optional preferential voting by Andrew Jackson http://www.tallyroom.com.au/39663/comment-page-1#comment-745008 Tue, 28 Jul 2020 23:05:08 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?p=39663#comment-745008 We need to ensure that there is no Just Vote 1 Campaign. All monor parties shoul respond to aJust Vote 1 campaign by dropping the party off there preference list . The Two major parties have a deep ingrained feeling of entitlement and an attitude that the 1/3 of population who reject both Lib and ALP have no rights.
The Electoral Acts of Australia need to be printed documents which are near unchangable.
Any change requiring 2/3 majority inn Parliament and not taking effect for five years after passing.

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Comment on SA government proposes optional preferential voting by Dean Ashley http://www.tallyroom.com.au/39663/comment-page-1#comment-744895 Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:15:24 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?p=39663#comment-744895 I favour OPV for reasons of principle: that you shouldn’t be required to lie about a preference you don’t have, in order to express a preference you do have. Taking that as the principle means no minimum number of preferences, and no ballot instructions suggesting that more than one preference is required.

The concept of a gap between ballot instructions and savings provisions also re-opens the old chestnut about whether it should then be illegal to advocate a vote that is valid, but contrary to the ballot instructions. For two Federal elections (1993 and 1996), a ‘Langer vote’ was still valid, but the then section 329A of the Commonwealth Electoral Act made it illegal to advocate one. I don’t believe there is an equivalent in relation the current Senate savings provisions, so you could in theory run a “Just Vote 1 above the Line” campaign.

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Comment on SA government proposes optional preferential voting by Antony Green http://www.tallyroom.com.au/39663/comment-page-1#comment-744894 Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:32:31 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?p=39663#comment-744894 Full preferential voting makes no sense with voluntary voting. But let me assume someone has been mad enough to implement it.

Back in 2005, my local electorate had a by-election. It was a Labor v Green contest and no Liberal candidate was nominated. So under voluntary voting, a Liberal supporter wouldn’t have to vote.

But come the next state election, there was a Liberal candidate. A Liberal voter would be forced make a preference choice between Labor and the Greens if they wanted to vote for the Liberal candidate, a choice they didn’t have to make when there was no Liberal candidate. It makes no sense.

Voluntary voting and full preferences gives you the choice of voting for all candidates, or no candidates. You can’t vote for some candidates. Compulsory voting and optional preferences requires a voter to vote, but the voter can vote for as few or as many candidates as they like.

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Comment on SA government proposes optional preferential voting by Mick Quinlivan http://www.tallyroom.com.au/39663/comment-page-1#comment-744891 Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:12:42 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?p=39663#comment-744891 The solution to having big electorates is to allow the local mp better resources… 2 or 3 electorate offices, light plane travel petrol allowance etc

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Comment on SA government proposes optional preferential voting by Ben Raue http://www.tallyroom.com.au/39663/comment-page-1#comment-744882 Sun, 26 Jul 2020 11:24:07 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?p=39663#comment-744882 Conveniently the fairness provision was abolished!

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Comment on SA government proposes optional preferential voting by Bird of paradox http://www.tallyroom.com.au/39663/comment-page-1#comment-744881 Sun, 26 Jul 2020 10:40:27 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?p=39663#comment-744881 Another thought: OPV and the fairness provision don’t mix well at all. It’s difficult enough to figure out an underlying Labor vs Lib 2pp with independent seats as it is – the Boundaries Commission has sometimes had to interview people like Bob Such and Karlene Maywald to figure out whether their seats “should” be Labor or Liberal.

Under OPV, if an independent attracts more supporters from one major party, and those people then just vote 1 for the independent, it skews the underlying 2pp in favour of the other major party, and also produces an artificially high exhaustion rate. That happens in NSW, with strange examples like Northern Tablelands in 2011, won by an independent with a huge margin. Labor got just 3.4% of the formal vote, yet they got 23.9% of a highly artificial 2pp, with a huge 39.6% exhausting. The actual exhaustion rate was 3.4% (about 40% of the 8.3% voting for someone other than Torbay or the Nats). There’s similar quirky results like the Libs “winning” Sydney or Labor “winning” Wagga Wagga.

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