Comments on: Tasmania 2010 http://www.tallyroom.com.au Elections and politics in Australia and around the world. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:47:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Charles in Germany http://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/tas2010/comment-page-1#comment-15109 Charles in Germany Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:25:56 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=3489#comment-15109 Thanks for clearifying the Tas green selection process Stewart. I agree with you Ben with regards to Hanna and Georgatos vs McKim too, obviously I was only speaking hypothetically. Thanks for clearifying the Tas green selection process Stewart. I agree with you Ben with regards to Hanna and Georgatos vs McKim too, obviously I was only speaking hypothetically.

]]> By: Ben Raue http://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/tas2010/comment-page-1#comment-15086 Ben Raue Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:50:49 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=3489#comment-15086 Great find Stewart, I'll have to post about that. My understanding is that the Tasmanian Greens generally do not hold rank-and-file ballots for preselection, although I guess Stewart has found that constitutionally they could decide to do so. Also, I think there's a big difference between McKim and Georgatos or Hanna. Georgatos was a random lower house candidate in a not-very-winnable seat. Hanna was a blow-in who had never previously won preselection in the party. In contrast, McKim is the leader of the Tasmanian Greens, has been a state MP for eight years, been preselected for Franklin three times and is about to lead the party to what seems like it will be their biggest ever result. I think if he stands he will have no trouble in being preselected. Great find Stewart, I’ll have to post about that.

My understanding is that the Tasmanian Greens generally do not hold rank-and-file ballots for preselection, although I guess Stewart has found that constitutionally they could decide to do so.

Also, I think there’s a big difference between McKim and Georgatos or Hanna. Georgatos was a random lower house candidate in a not-very-winnable seat. Hanna was a blow-in who had never previously won preselection in the party. In contrast, McKim is the leader of the Tasmanian Greens, has been a state MP for eight years, been preselected for Franklin three times and is about to lead the party to what seems like it will be their biggest ever result. I think if he stands he will have no trouble in being preselected.

]]> By: Hamish Coffee http://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/tas2010/comment-page-1#comment-15085 Hamish Coffee Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:38:40 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=3489#comment-15085 Good find Stewart. 6 seats, that would be something. Another good article here: http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/article/bacon-shock-as-minority-rules-emrs-crystal-ball/ Good find Stewart. 6 seats, that would be something.

Another good article here: http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/article/bacon-shock-as-minority-rules-emrs-crystal-ball/

]]> By: Stewart J http://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/tas2010/comment-page-1#comment-15083 Stewart J Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:07:00 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=3489#comment-15083 People might also be interested in the following comments from Dr Kevin Bonham on the latest EMRS poll: http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/demolition-row/ In his discussion he raises the strong likelihood on these numbers of a sixth Tas Greens seat, but obviously things may change in this last week (including the final ALP-Lib outcome). More interesting, Green voters (and voters generally) appear to prefer a Green supported Liberal minority govt over a Labor minority: http://www.examiner.com.au/news/local/news/politics/voters-no-to-minority-government-survey/1775965.aspx As to whether a ballot is used, the Tas Greens Constitution says that it is up to the Executive to determine how a position is filled and whether a ballot is required (Section IV, Point 20): http://tas.greens.org.au/sites/default/files/Tas_Greens_CONSTITUTION_Revised_V8.pdf People might also be interested in the following comments from Dr Kevin Bonham on the latest EMRS poll:
http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/demolition-row/
In his discussion he raises the strong likelihood on these numbers of a sixth Tas Greens seat, but obviously things may change in this last week (including the final ALP-Lib outcome). More interesting, Green voters (and voters generally) appear to prefer a Green supported Liberal minority govt over a Labor minority:
http://www.examiner.com.au/news/local/news/politics/voters-no-to-minority-government-survey/1775965.aspx

As to whether a ballot is used, the Tas Greens Constitution says that it is up to the Executive to determine how a position is filled and whether a ballot is required (Section IV, Point 20):
http://tas.greens.org.au/sites/default/files/Tas_Greens_CONSTITUTION_Revised_V8.pdf

]]> By: Charles in Germany http://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/tas2010/comment-page-1#comment-15078 Charles in Germany Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:37:32 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=3489#comment-15078 Hamish and Ben, aren't candidates voted on by the rank and file in the Tas Greens? I'm not saying that our Tas Green friends wouldn't select McKim if he was nominated, but Kris Hanna and Gerry Georgatos are prime examples of how a candidate cannot assume pre-selection within the party. This would make Crickey's rumour a little unfounded I would have thought. Hamish and Ben, aren’t candidates voted on by the rank and file in the Tas Greens? I’m not saying that our Tas Green friends wouldn’t select McKim if he was nominated, but Kris Hanna and Gerry Georgatos are prime examples of how a candidate cannot assume pre-selection within the party. This would make Crickey’s rumour a little unfounded I would have thought.

]]> By: Imaginative Nickname http://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/tas2010/comment-page-1#comment-14579 Imaginative Nickname Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:29:37 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=3489#comment-14579 An interesting article on hung parliaments http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/publications.nsf/0/08AE982C2A0410DCCA2576DC000769EC/$File/Minority%20Governments%20Background%20Paper.pdf An interesting article on hung parliaments

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/publications.nsf/0/08AE982C2A0410DCCA2576DC000769EC/$File/Minority%20Governments%20Background%20Paper.pdf

]]> By: Hamish Coffee http://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/tas2010/comment-page-1#comment-14531 Hamish Coffee Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:08:27 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=3489#comment-14531 Yes, sorry, you're right Ben, I did mean the election after this one. I was getting ahead of myself. I would expect O'Connor to take over as Tassie leader. Yes, sorry, you’re right Ben, I did mean the election after this one. I was getting ahead of myself. I would expect O’Connor to take over as Tassie leader.

]]> By: Ben Raue http://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/tas2010/comment-page-1#comment-14509 Ben Raue Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:51:13 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=3489#comment-14509 If that rumour is true (and it does make sense) then you'd expect McKim to move to the Senate before the 2013 federal and 2014 Tasmanian elections. In which case it looks like Adam Burling (#2 on the Greens Franklin ticket and advisor to Bob Brown) is being lined up to take McKim's seat. If that rumour is true (and it does make sense) then you’d expect McKim to move to the Senate before the 2013 federal and 2014 Tasmanian elections. In which case it looks like Adam Burling (#2 on the Greens Franklin ticket and advisor to Bob Brown) is being lined up to take McKim’s seat.

]]> By: Hamish Coffee http://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/tas2010/comment-page-1#comment-14508 Hamish Coffee Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:38:49 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=3489#comment-14508 Rumour in Crikey the other day that McKim will take Senator Brown's spot in the next few years (I would assume before the next Federal election, though it didn't specify). McKim is certainly a very intelligent and likeable leader so while it would be a loss to the Tassie Greens (if true of course), it would be good news for the Federal Greens. I wonder who would take over if McKim did retire. Cassy O'Connor? Tim Morris? Rumour in Crikey the other day that McKim will take Senator Brown’s spot in the next few years (I would assume before the next Federal election, though it didn’t specify). McKim is certainly a very intelligent and likeable leader so while it would be a loss to the Tassie Greens (if true of course), it would be good news for the Federal Greens. I wonder who would take over if McKim did retire. Cassy O’Connor? Tim Morris?

]]> By: Hamish Coffee http://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/tas2010/comment-page-1#comment-14436 Hamish Coffee Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:14:56 +0000 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/?page_id=3489#comment-14436 Story on the dismissal - http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/01/2833319.htm Hard to see the motivation unless it was genuinely a conservative/environmental hybrid party. Story on the dismissal – http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/01/2833319.htm

Hard to see the motivation unless it was genuinely a conservative/environmental hybrid party.

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