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	<title>Comments on: Greens kick off Senate preselection</title>
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		<title>By: Stewart J</title>
		<link>http://www.tallyroom.com.au/1082/comment-page-1#comment-1681</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen L
re splits between leafy greens etc - in reality there are no &quot;fundis&quot; left in any organised sense, the division being more between degree&#039;s of centralised decision making and campaigning. While I know that there are people who might fit the &quot;fundi&quot; label still in the party (or for that matter &quot;eco-socialists&quot; for what its worth!), the realo stream of thinking is formally entrenched nationally as far as I can see. The question of &quot;leafy greens&quot; vs &quot;red-greens&quot; is more of emphasis on social justice vs environment, but even this is now couched in terms of which will be more electorally appealing. The real radicals of the early Greens have long since left the building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen L<br />
re splits between leafy greens etc &#8211; in reality there are no &#8220;fundis&#8221; left in any organised sense, the division being more between degree&#8217;s of centralised decision making and campaigning. While I know that there are people who might fit the &#8220;fundi&#8221; label still in the party (or for that matter &#8220;eco-socialists&#8221; for what its worth!), the realo stream of thinking is formally entrenched nationally as far as I can see. The question of &#8220;leafy greens&#8221; vs &#8220;red-greens&#8221; is more of emphasis on social justice vs environment, but even this is now couched in terms of which will be more electorally appealing. The real radicals of the early Greens have long since left the building.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C</title>
		<link>http://www.tallyroom.com.au/1082/comment-page-1#comment-1656</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t aware of Richard having moved.

Janet is not from Inner Melbourne, but from footscray. But I was advocating her more as an excellent member who I&#039;d like to see in parliament, which probably wont happen at state level unless the local members are displeased with Colleen.

My last sentence was why I wasn&#039;t going to vote them into the lead senate position, so that they can run at state level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware of Richard having moved.</p>
<p>Janet is not from Inner Melbourne, but from footscray. But I was advocating her more as an excellent member who I&#8217;d like to see in parliament, which probably wont happen at state level unless the local members are displeased with Colleen.</p>
<p>My last sentence was why I wasn&#8217;t going to vote them into the lead senate position, so that they can run at state level.</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... except that Richard now lives in rural Victoria whereas Janet comes from one electorate away from the seat of Melbourne.

There&#039;s nothing to stop anyone who doesn&#039;t get preselected for the Senate running for a different state or federal seat, and I&#039;d be surprised if most of the unsuccessful Victorian Senate candidates didn&#039;t do exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; except that Richard now lives in rural Victoria whereas Janet comes from one electorate away from the seat of Melbourne.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing to stop anyone who doesn&#8217;t get preselected for the Senate running for a different state or federal seat, and I&#8217;d be surprised if most of the unsuccessful Victorian Senate candidates didn&#8217;t do exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C</title>
		<link>http://www.tallyroom.com.au/1082/comment-page-1#comment-1646</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;d like to see Janet Rice win the 1st possition and have Richard run for Melbourne.

I dont think its healthy to keep running males for the same position time after time, and it doesn&#039;t help(in my eyes) that we always run someone from inner Melbourne.

Also I think Peter, Jim and Jennifer should run for state instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;d like to see Janet Rice win the 1st possition and have Richard run for Melbourne.</p>
<p>I dont think its healthy to keep running males for the same position time after time, and it doesn&#8217;t help(in my eyes) that we always run someone from inner Melbourne.</p>
<p>Also I think Peter, Jim and Jennifer should run for state instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the past the Vic Greens had a committee which made recommendations. The power of this committee was reduced in 2004 and abolished in 2007. No one I heard suggesting reviving it this time. However, we do have a &quot;probity panel&quot;. They check to see that people don&#039;t have issues such as serious criminal records, being on the public record denouncing the Greens etc. This panel is still checking. I have no reason to think they will find anything, but the rule is that until they do I can&#039;t release the names except to those who need to know. Thus if someone is ruled out on such a basis everyone doesn&#039;t know this happened.

Candidates who are confident they will pass probity can announce they&#039;re standing and obviously some have done so. Any that haven&#039;t may be worried they won&#039;t pass, but more likely just haven&#039;t got round to telling Ben or setting up a blog.

Aside from the probity panel the process is pretty straight-forward. Candidates need four nominators who must all be financial members of the party. The candidate writes a spiel of up to 1000 words, and the nominators up to 200 words each on why they are endorsing this person. There is a postal ballot of all members with a standard preferential count to select the top position. Lower positions will be selected later by a different method. There will be five Meet-The-Candidates meetings around the state, which I hope will be better attended than last time.

As RO I can&#039;t comment on policy differences etc, but I will stretch the bounds of my position to say that last time you couldn&#039;t get a wafer between 6 of the 7 candidates on a policy basis. All those outsiders hoping for huge splits in the Greens between &quot;realos&quot; and &quot;fundis&quot;, or the &quot;red-greens&quot; versus the &quot;leafy greens&quot; would have been very disappointed, although we have seen some of those divisions in previous Vic preselections, and maybe we will again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past the Vic Greens had a committee which made recommendations. The power of this committee was reduced in 2004 and abolished in 2007. No one I heard suggesting reviving it this time. However, we do have a &#8220;probity panel&#8221;. They check to see that people don&#8217;t have issues such as serious criminal records, being on the public record denouncing the Greens etc. This panel is still checking. I have no reason to think they will find anything, but the rule is that until they do I can&#8217;t release the names except to those who need to know. Thus if someone is ruled out on such a basis everyone doesn&#8217;t know this happened.</p>
<p>Candidates who are confident they will pass probity can announce they&#8217;re standing and obviously some have done so. Any that haven&#8217;t may be worried they won&#8217;t pass, but more likely just haven&#8217;t got round to telling Ben or setting up a blog.</p>
<p>Aside from the probity panel the process is pretty straight-forward. Candidates need four nominators who must all be financial members of the party. The candidate writes a spiel of up to 1000 words, and the nominators up to 200 words each on why they are endorsing this person. There is a postal ballot of all members with a standard preferential count to select the top position. Lower positions will be selected later by a different method. There will be five Meet-The-Candidates meetings around the state, which I hope will be better attended than last time.</p>
<p>As RO I can&#8217;t comment on policy differences etc, but I will stretch the bounds of my position to say that last time you couldn&#8217;t get a wafer between 6 of the 7 candidates on a policy basis. All those outsiders hoping for huge splits in the Greens between &#8220;realos&#8221; and &#8220;fundis&#8221;, or the &#8220;red-greens&#8221; versus the &#8220;leafy greens&#8221; would have been very disappointed, although we have seen some of those divisions in previous Vic preselections, and maybe we will again.</p>
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		<title>By: StewartJ</title>
		<link>http://www.tallyroom.com.au/1082/comment-page-1#comment-1432</link>
		<dc:creator>StewartJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be &quot;throw up&quot; (&quot;through up&quot;? yes, through your mouth...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be &#8220;throw up&#8221; (&#8220;through up&#8221;? yes, through your mouth&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: StewartJ</title>
		<link>http://www.tallyroom.com.au/1082/comment-page-1#comment-1431</link>
		<dc:creator>StewartJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm, fascinating field in Vic. I would have thought David R &amp; Richard DN would be the top two, but then preselection battles can through up interesting results - Scott Ludlam wasn&#039;t expected to win in WA, but ended up being a fine choice, and I understand Mark Parnell was in the same position. Of course, both have ended up being fine choices, and quite possibly better than the more favoured candidates, but nothing can be taken for granted.

Having said that, I&#039;d be curious to know of any existing or lingering political divisions within the Vic Greens as to whether there are some &#039;face-offs&#039; or if this is going to be fought n policy and personality rather than factional lines (which greens of course don&#039;t have...). And of course, the Greens NSW LC preselection is later in the year (which should yield a bumper crop of candidates - including Cate F maybe given I think she would be the underdog in NSW).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm, fascinating field in Vic. I would have thought David R &amp; Richard DN would be the top two, but then preselection battles can through up interesting results &#8211; Scott Ludlam wasn&#8217;t expected to win in WA, but ended up being a fine choice, and I understand Mark Parnell was in the same position. Of course, both have ended up being fine choices, and quite possibly better than the more favoured candidates, but nothing can be taken for granted.</p>
<p>Having said that, I&#8217;d be curious to know of any existing or lingering political divisions within the Vic Greens as to whether there are some &#8216;face-offs&#8217; or if this is going to be fought n policy and personality rather than factional lines (which greens of course don&#8217;t have&#8230;). And of course, the Greens NSW LC preselection is later in the year (which should yield a bumper crop of candidates &#8211; including Cate F maybe given I think she would be the underdog in NSW).</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Raue</title>
		<link>http://www.tallyroom.com.au/1082/comment-page-1#comment-1420</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Raue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JamesD,

I believe that the Victorian Greens have a process, after nominations close, where they check nominations for things like criminal record, eligibility to fill the office, etc. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a question of vetting candidates for political suitability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JamesD,</p>
<p>I believe that the Victorian Greens have a process, after nominations close, where they check nominations for things like criminal record, eligibility to fill the office, etc. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a question of vetting candidates for political suitability.</p>
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		<title>By: Tad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of the people who drafted the NSW Greens drug policy (http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/drugs-and-harm-minimisation) and a working public hospital psychiatrist in inner Sydney, I can confirm that FDS are pretty good on this issue--sensible advice on the benefits and harms of legal and illegal drugs with a compassionate philosophy. Though they are not a &quot;political&quot; organisation their politics are pretty good. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the people who drafted the NSW Greens drug policy (<a href="http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/drugs-and-harm-minimisation" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/nsw.greens.org.au/policies/drugs-and-harm-minimisation?referer=');">http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/drugs-and-harm-minimisation</a>) and a working public hospital psychiatrist in inner Sydney, I can confirm that FDS are pretty good on this issue&#8211;sensible advice on the benefits and harms of legal and illegal drugs with a compassionate philosophy. Though they are not a &#8220;political&#8221; organisation their politics are pretty good. <img src='http://www.tallyroom.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GhostWhoVotes</title>
		<link>http://www.tallyroom.com.au/1082/comment-page-1#comment-1406</link>
		<dc:creator>GhostWhoVotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that Ted Bassingthwaighte was in the NSW Police Force for over 20 years and obtained the rank of at least Sergeant, and either is or was the chairperson of &lt;a href=http://www.fds.org.au/ rel=nofollow rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Family Drug Support&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;a href=http://www.hemp.on.net/final_folder/what_we_want/smartcops.html rel=nofollow rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This page&lt;/a&gt; indicates that he has Green views regarding drugs and &lt;a href=http://www.fds.org.au/Page1.html rel=nofollow rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; shows that Ted B. the officer and Ted B. the FDS chair are the same person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that Ted Bassingthwaighte was in the NSW Police Force for over 20 years and obtained the rank of at least Sergeant, and either is or was the chairperson of <a href=http://www.fds.org.au/ rel=nofollow rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.fds.org.au/?referer=');">Family Drug Support</a>.</p>
<p><a href=http://www.hemp.on.net/final_folder/what_we_want/smartcops.html rel=nofollow rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.hemp.on.net/final_folder/what_we_want/smartcops.html?referer=');">This page</a> indicates that he has Green views regarding drugs and <a href=http://www.fds.org.au/Page1.html rel=nofollow rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.fds.org.au/Page1.html?referer=');">this page</a> shows that Ted B. the officer and Ted B. the FDS chair are the same person.</p>
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